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ncisprobie |
186. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 14 2012, 4:34 PM EDT
"You don't just need the Moonlighting example to see how it is likely to be received. All you have to do is look at NCIS. Every time a love storyline has come up it has been panned by the majority of the fanbase. Tony/Jeanne, Ziva/Ray, Tony/EJ Gibbs/Mallison, Gibbs/Ryan. Over and overa again the fanbase has demonstrated that they don't like love stories as part of their NCIS viewing. On that basis alone I really can't see why they would think Tiva would be better received given that this is likely to cause problems for, not only the fanbase that dont want it specifically but also those that have demonstrated that they don't like romance generally."I respectfully disagree. As someone pointed out earlier, people watch for all sorts of reasons, but I think like Mark Harmon said, "Its because of the characters." The core of the show is about the cases and how the team interacts. What is always most commented on by the fan base, are those character moments. Despite the seeming mis-matched couple of Gibbs and Dr. Ryan, I think it would have been better received by the fan base if it did not take up as much screen time and away from the team. Plus, thousands of fan fics about Tiva tell me there is actually quite a lot of interest in it. Again, its about balance and not turning it into a soap opera. And tie this back into the discussion topic, that is where I think the show is headed next season. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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patriciaenola |
189. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 14 2012, 6:07 PM EDT
Yes indeed - that is the point "in love stories" - I agree with you - but we are discussing here - not a love story - but a Series about a Naval Investigation Service so it is not appropriate to go too deeply into the personal lives of the Fictional Characters - I believe that putting too personal a view of their fictional lives causes the tone of the series to alter and become a Series of a wholly altered genre.I honestly reckon all of our - bless them - characters - need a person of their own, someone to "come home to" but a "someone" with a life of their own that has nothing to do with NCIS - I do not "give a damn" (thanks Rhett Butler) with whom they sleep. Just let us have NCIS - as a Criminal Investigation Service - just that - not a marriage bureau - and not a creche -since they are fictional characters they are at bedrock level the characters that the writers make of them Whew - I hope my "novelette" has not offended anyone - I follow a policy of endeavouring to be plain spoken, but not wishing to offend 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
190. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 14 2012, 6:17 PM EDT
"Yes indeed - that is the point "in love stories" - I agree with you - but we are discussing here - not a love story - but a Series about a Naval Investigation Service so it is not appropriate to go too deeply into the personal lives of the Fictional Characters - I believe that putting too personal a view of their fictional lives causes the tone of the series to alter and become a Series of a wholly altered genre.Well said. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
191. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 14 2012, 6:31 PM EDT
"Pranks like programming his computer to make him think a string of girls are dumping him? Or turning off the surveilence mike so he is left without backup when looking for a serial killer? Or knowing his relationship with his father is difficult but deliberately not telling him the man has arrived just so he can enjoy the discomfort it causes? Or writing a book publicly fantasizing about his love life or suggesting he had sex with corpses? Or taunting him when he's come back from a traumatic case? Or delberately setting him up whilst undercover for the fun of seeing him squirm?"Good examples froggg. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AZNCISfan |
192. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 15 2012, 4:25 AM EDT
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"Good examples froggg."Perhaps for Season 10, Tim can turn the tables on occasion and spew a few names back at our intrepid SFA as he has said to Tiny Tim over the years: SFA DiVoyuer, DiBlowupdollexpert, DiMovieBuff, etc.... Problem with that whole notion is all the extra screen/line time McGee would get which would send some folks into a tizzy, no? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
193. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 15 2012, 5:05 AM EDT
I hope that Palmer's wedding actually did take place before Ducky walked on the beach. I do hope this elevator event doesn't turn into a Tiva go ahead. It would be nice to have them talk about how they feel for each other, but not have it become a love thing that is left up in the air.
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ny050106sc |
194. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 15 2012, 7:36 AM EDT
"I hope that Palmer's wedding actually did take place before Ducky walked on the beach. I do hope this elevator event doesn't turn into a Tiva go ahead. It would be nice to have them talk about how they feel for each other, but not have it become a love thing that is left up in the air. "I agree I hope Palmer's wedding did take place before Ducky's walk. Regarding Tony and Ziva I think it would funny if they talked about the feelings made attempt a kiss but pulling back and Tony saying something like "no offense Ziva, but that felt like I was kissing my sister" meaning no chemistry or sparks. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
195. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 15 2012, 7:44 AM EDT
"I agree I hope Palmer's wedding did take place before Ducky's walk. Regarding Tony and Ziva I think it would funny if they talked about the feelings made attempt a kiss but pulling back and Tony saying something like "no offense Ziva, but that felt like I was kissing my sister" meaning no chemistry or sparks. "Good way out of Tiva ny. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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annie921 |
196. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 15 2012, 8:53 AM EDT
"I agree I hope Palmer's wedding did take place before Ducky's walk. Regarding Tony and Ziva I think it would funny if they talked about the feelings made attempt a kiss but pulling back and Tony saying something like "no offense Ziva, but that felt like I was kissing my sister" meaning no chemistry or sparks. "I wish they'd talk about why Ziva is so disrespectful and thinks she is superior to Tony, especially after he saved her life in Somalia, I doubt this will happen since the show's writers seem to put blinders on regarding Ziva's past bad behavior and go for pity rather than accountability where she is concerned. I'd be fine with the "no sparks" idea, but that too would be braver and more honest than I think the writers are allowed to be. Seems like the most pushed agenda for writing Ziva is to flatter her in every way - whether it's her wonder woman like skills, her superior loyalty work ethic, her ever growing list of expertise, Gibbs oft stated admiration for her, the inability of male guest stars to resist her charms, and her ability to always one up Tony, to name a few. They would IMO, never allow Tony to resist her. A huge part of his character's function has become to flatter Ziva as well. But it's never her function to enhance his character - just to tear it down. I wish season 10 could see the return a dangerous and significantly skilled SFA Tony who is not always the butt of everyones joke, and a Ziva who isn't perfect in everyway, but I don't have high hopes. 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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203. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 3:01 AM EDT
Here I was hoping for spoilers, but instead all I see is "my favorite character is better than yours because my favorite character is special and the 'mean things' my favorite character does aren't as mean as the 'mean things' your favorite character does."I am guessing people are bored. Is it just too early for good spoilers? 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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froggg |
204. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 3:07 AM EDT
"I'm guessing you aren't going to get spoilers till they get the actor's signed up. Or Not. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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McGeek86 |
205. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 4:07 AM EDT
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"I do no understand why it is acceptible for McGee to spread rumours about his workmakes love lives but not for the same to be done to him and if McGee didn't have the balls to volunteer for a role then he certainly wouldn't have the balls to carry it through."It is not acceptable at all but then perhaps he was just following the example of his mentor and SFA. Perhaps thinking well he did it to me and got away with it. Should have known better though. I did not like what they did in the Iraq episode. Such behaviour should have been beneath Tony's character by that point and McGee should have known not to listen to him as well which doesn't excuse what was done. Had nothing to do with him not having the balls and everything to do with Tony's deception. I don't mind people having a go when McGee is in the wrong. He is certainly not innocent but i absolutely deteset the "poor Tony" attitude. He is certainly not innocent either "poor Tony "the refusal to see or acknowledge that Tony has been and is just as capable and has been as bang out of order as everyone else. It certainly wasn't the case that McGee "didn't have the balls". Nope not what happened. He was perfectly willing to put his name down - Tony told him not to. An unworthy and nasty trick by the SFA that really wasn't funny. Character growth needs to be a bit more consistent. I certainly remember in S8 McGee willing to put his hands up and take the blame only for Gibbs to tell him it was his responsibility. Which is fair enough he is the boss and McGee isn't. Hopefully that is something McGee will have picked up on and take with him over the years. Hopefully news will be through soon that SM, MW and PP have resigned and they can start addressing some of McGee's character flaws. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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McGeek86 |
207. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 4:20 AM EDT
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"Tim was writing that book right from the beginning of his time with team Gibbs and he used everyone in in. That can't be blamed on Tony. McGee and Tony have clearly demonstrated exactly the same attitude to their workmate's sex lives and, as such, neither one of them is in a position to object when the same things are used against them."I simply meant that young McGee especially was influenced by Tony. His books were influenced by his working life and it is perhaps where he got the idea. I like the idea McGee is a writer. I didn't like he used the team's lives. That crossed a line and they gave him hell for it - rightly so. As i say charachter growth needs to be more consistent. McGee admitted fault in cover story and discussed with Gibbs whereby Gibbs told him "put yourself in handcuffs or help catch the killer". Re neither of them having the right to complain - that is the point i have been trying to make. They dish it out - they can take it back. I like them best when they are together. They are funny together and when they are dishing it out equally they can be funny provided they don't cross the line into cruel. Tony's dismay at not thinking of "McGiver, the beginning of stakeout (i think it was) when they were getting on each other's nerves. Then there is when they are being downright silly. The you stood me up opening scene was brilliant. I think they are fab together and is one reason i hope both MW and SM resign...of course i hope PP resigns as well obviously. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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froggg |
209. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 4:29 AM EDT
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"I don't mind people having a go when McGee is in the wrong. He is certainly not innocent but i absolutely deteset the "poor Tony" attitude. He is certainly not innocent either "poor Tony "the refusal to see or acknowledge that Tony has been and is just as capable and has been as bang out of order as everyone else. It certainly wasn't the case that McGee "didn't have the balls". Nope not what happened. He was perfectly willing to put his name down - Tony told him not to. An unworthy and nasty trick by the SFA that really wasn't funny."I agree. I don't think any of them are saints. But I also think they all need to take responsiblity for their own actions. That is something Gibbs and Tony do which Ziva and Mcgee don't. Looking at Bounce/Iraq it is claimed to be Tony's fault because McGee took his advice as being the expert. But, when the situations are reversed and McGee is the expert, it is Tony's fault that he accepted 'expert' advice. Tony is expected to take responsiblity for the consequeces of his choices but McGee is not. I'm happy to see them all as flawed, rounded people. I'm just fed up at seeing only one of them ever facing consequences for the bad choices they all make. Do you find this valuable? |
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McGeek86 |
211. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 4:44 AM EDT
There have been times when McGee has admitted fault ony for Gibbs to step in As i have said i have no issues with them making McGee face responsibility more often. Being 3rd in the totem pole however means that Gibbs steps in or Gibbs expects Tony to take responsibility. McGee has been on the team long enough now to be able to take some measure of responsibility and i do wish they'd let him but that would mean a bit more screen time. Sometimes i'm worried that the writers just don't seem to be interested in developing that part of McGee's charachter and is deffinitely something i want to see in S10. Gibbs and Tony have done well with him and i would hate to see him stuck in a rut. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sorgiña |
217. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 6:05 AM EDT
This thread is about S10 and spoilers related to the same, it is NOT about characters and their behaviour in the past. All these latter posts are for the: "What do you want for S10? Please keep the threads separate, 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Irishelf |
218. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 16 2012, 9:50 AM EDT
"Pranks like programming his computer to make him think a string of girls are dumping him? Or turning off the surveilence mike so he is left without backup when looking for a serial killer? Or knowing his relationship with his father is difficult but deliberately not telling him the man has arrived just so he can enjoy the discomfort it causes? Or writing a book publicly fantasizing about his love life or suggesting he had sex with corpses? Or taunting him when he's come back from a traumatic case? Or delberately setting him up whilst undercover for the fun of seeing him squirm?"The sex with corpses thing was about Jimmy, not Tony! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ncisaddiction |
219. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 19 2012, 8:13 AM EDT
I had high hopes for JLC, but when I found out that she started dating Gibbs my expectations went really down. The fact that Gibbs dates every single girl that he meets in a case (except for Abigail Borin). I do hope that they end their relationship and Gibbs find a girl who is right for him.P.S. This is just my opinion. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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emmamae |
220. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 19 2012, 12:53 PM EDT
I think JLC is different from all the other women that Gibbs has dated. She is more his age and a mental challenge for him. They work together with different views which add to the resolution of any threat or situation. We need to see more off her.
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Sorgiña |
221. RE: Official Season 10 Spoiler Discussion
Jun 19 2012, 3:21 PM EDT
Brian Dietzen has been made series regular for S10. Check the news here:http://www.ncisfanwiki.com/page/NCIS+in+the+News Brian also confirmed it on Twitter a few minutes ago. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |