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weatherlywatcher49	20. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 28 2011, 10:28 PM EDT I can actually believe that Tony was teased. I have to believe that Tony had to have been very affected by not only the loss of his mother but his father as well (though not in the same way). I lost my father when I was 9 years old - around the same age as they say Tony lost his father and I can't imagine having to go through it alone as Tony did. I had a sibling and my mother - while going into deep depression for about year - was there for me after that as well. As for school, etc. - yes, I had a couple of kids who teased me when I returned back to school - they didn't like me and they knew that my father's death was a way to hurt me - and they did - until I took the girl into the woods and beat the living crap out of her, LOL. So I can see a lonely Tony, with no one to help him through that, being picked on by other kids. I know I loved the fact that Tony said McGee should know - seems they are getting back to being like brothers and I am so happy about that - next to Gibbs and Tony, that's my favorite "relationship." Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
KAKatie	21. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 28 2011, 11:34 PM EDT I'll have to go back and watch the episodes again to see if I can better articulate my impressions. I felt as if something was lacking in the characters. I found it interesting that McGee was taunted with, "You have bags under your eyes." I actually thought that the first time I watched the season premiere. I love McGee. He's actually my favorite character but he just seemed down, like a light in him has gone out. I don't know how else to describe what I'm trying to say. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
nevermissncis	22. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 29 2011, 10:41 AM EDT "I'll have to go back and watch the episodes again to see if I can better articulate my impressions. I felt as if something was lacking in the characters. I found it interesting that McGee was taunted with, "You have bags under your eyes." I actually thought that the first time I watched the season premiere. I love McGee. He's actually my favorite character but he just seemed down, like a light in him has gone out. I don't know how else to describe what I'm trying to say." He did seem to have less energy. I think they are focusing more on Gibbs and Tony which is really good this year. It does, however, seem more and more that they are the 2 stars of the show and the others are not as important. I loved both shows and I think the old school is coming back. The success was more as a team. I love them all! But let's go team again. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lonewolfbenji	23. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 29 2011, 12:51 PM EDT "He did seem to have less energy. I think they are focusing more on Gibbs and Tony which is really good this year. It does, however, seem more and more that they are the 2 stars of the show and the others are not as important. I loved both shows and I think the old school is coming back. The success was more as a team. I love them all! But let's go team again." Yes, the success was more as a team and that is exactly what bothers me. Frankly I'm sick to death of Tony. If it's going to become the Gibbs/DiNozzo show then I'm done with it. That just doesn't interest me and I find it utterly boring. It used to be a great ENSEMBLE and everyone was important. I want to learn more about, and be more focused, on McGee, Abby and Ducky. If that's not going to happen then I've lost all interest in the show. Next week's episode will tell. If it's stupid and lame (like Caged and Ignition were) designed to make McGee look incompetent and foolish then I know Glasberg has no real intentions of restoring the ensemble. But if it's actually good (more like Cover Story or some of the earlier seasons episodes) then I can believe the 'ols school' is coming back and it will keep my interest. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ncisno1	24. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 29 2011, 1:59 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 29 2011, 2:02 PM EDT Steven D. Binder POSTED ON SEP 27, 2011 12:00PM http://www.cbs.com/shows/ncis/insiders_blog/66493/ Everything you know about Tony DiNozzo is wrong. Again. Okay, that’s actually not true…again. But I had such a good time illuminating history with “Baltimore” I thought I would do what any self-respecting TV writer would do – and that’s milk that cow until the cows come home. Metaphorically-speaking. There are no cows in this episode. The theme for the hour is delusion. The way in which we reshape the undigestable world around us to make it more palatable. For Lindsey, that meant deluding herself into thinking she was a 1 6 year old girl so she didn’t have to face the harsh realities of adulthood. For Tony, that meant rewriti ng a bit of uncomfortable history. We’ve all done it. Everybody does it. And then, at some point, we pay the price. I’ve always been fascinated with this aspect of our collective psyche. Belief can keep us going when all hope is lost. But just as often it can send us right over the cliff. Luckily, in this case nobody dies. Well, nobody besides Marine PFC Tommy Hill, that is. See what I mean? On the practical side of things, I’m going to do another thing that any self-respecting TV writer would now do – and that’s copy from the best – which is Gary Glasberg. As he said in the previous post: “A special shout out to the best cast and crew a writer could ever dream of working with.” Ain’t it the truth. It’s a fantastic pleasure to be back, serving you up the juiciest non-cow-related stories I can think of. I hope you enjoy the episode and looking forward to sending more your way. Steven D. Binder Co-Executive Producer Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sueKay87	25. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Sep 29 2011, 2:03 PM EDT Loved this episode :) I'm really liking what they're doing with Tony...He was the happy-go-lucky eternal child until Jeanne, then he spent so long trying to convince everyone he was fine that he went from 'class clown' to just a clown. Now he's realised what he's done and he's trying to find who he is - for real - and maybe now he'll drop the persona altogether :) Only things I didn't like in this episode was the stuff between Gibbs and Jimmy which seemed a bit forced and 'obvious', and also the kids teasing McGee. If the bullies at school with me reacted like that, I'd be plain confused. I think the thing with Tony getting bullied is highly believable. I had a tiny family when I was at school. There were no siblings or cousins to defend me, and my parents were older than most. It makes sense they'd pick on Tony - there was no-one in his corner to help him. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
weatherlywatcher49	26. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 12:20 AM EDT "the success was more as a team and that is exactly what bothers me. I'm sick to death of Tony. If it's going to become the Gibbs/DiNozzo show then I'm done with it. That just doesn't interest me and I find it utterly boring. It used to be a great ENSEMBLE and everyone was important. I want to learn more about, and be more focused, on McGee, Abby and Ducky. If that's not going to happen then I've lost all interest in the show. Next week's episode will tell. If it's stupid and lame (like Caged and Ignition were) designed to make McGee look incompetent and foolish then I know Glasberg has no real intentions of restoring the ensemble. But if it's actually good (more like Cover Story or some of the earlier seasons episodes) then I can believe the 'ols school' is coming back and it will keep my interest." I don't think it's really fair to already start talking about it being the Gibbs/DiNozzo show. The SP had to revolve around Tony since he was the one on the mission - and Gibbs was there to help him as he should have been. This episode was not at all a Gibbs/DiNozzo show - the entire team was involved. We had McGee and Ziva going out and investigating, Gibbs and Ziva going out and investigating, McGee and Tony going out and investigating and the team scenes - so I really don't see how anyone could classify this episode as the Gibbs/DiNozzo show. I think Gary and the writers are doing a great job and I do believe they will continue with the team episodes with each character having their own time in the spotlight. We know Abby is going to have a small arc, Ducky's getting a love interest, Jimmy's getting married, Ziva is going to have things with Ray and the woman they've talked about that will help her and of course, we have McGee's grandma coming next week. I do believe that Gary will be much more fair in that respect that Shane Brennan every was. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bellswebster	27. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 1:44 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 5:03 PM EDT Sorry, but I'm not sure its fair to blame Shane Brennan entirely for the character changes. He never wrote a lot of the episodes. The last one he wrote was season 6 Legends part 2. I feel others would have had an imput into the characters developments. Just my thoughts. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lonewolfbenji	28. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 2:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 2:28 AM EDT "I don't think it's really fair to already start talking about it being the Gibbs/DiNozzo show. The SP had to revolve around Tony since he was the one on the mission - and Gibbs was there to help him as he should have been. This episode was not at all a Gibbs/DiNozzo show - the entire team was involved. We had McGee and Ziva going out and investigating, Gibbs and Ziva going out and investigating, McGee and Tony going out and investigating and the team scenes - so I really don't see how anyone could classify this episode as the Gibbs/DiNozzo show. I think Gary and the writers are doing a great job and I do believe they will continue with the team episodes with each character having their own time in the spotlight. We know Abby is going to have a small arc, Ducky's getting a love interest, Jimmy's getting married, Ziva is going to have things with Ray and the woman they've talked about that will help her and of course, we have McGee's grandma coming next week. I do believe that Gary will be much more fair in that respect that Shane Brennan every was." It's not just this one episode. At least one quarter of the entire end of last season was centered on Tony as well. The show was much more of an ensemble when DPB was producing it. Of course the entire team was involved but how much of McGee or Abby's background do we know...almost nothing! Just being there isn't enough. . I want to know just as much about them as we have about Gibbs, Tony and Ziva . In a TRUE ensemble there's no such thing as supporting characters. They are ALL important . A single episode, a small arc, or a love interest isn't good enough. It's not worth my time to sit through all the Gibbs, Tony, and sometimes Ziva stuff just to catch a couple of minutes of McGee, Abby or Ducky. I started watching to see a real ensemble not a Dynamic Duo. Hope your right about GG but right now I am enjoying NCIS-LA more. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bellswebster	29. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 2:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 5:44 AM EDT There are upcoming episodes with McGee and Abbys backgrounds lonewolfbenji. I think McGees is on next week when his grandma turns up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sorgiña	30. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 5:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 5:31 AM EDT "I'll have to go back and watch the episodes again to see if I can better articulate my impressions. I felt as if something was lacking in the characters. I found it interesting that McGee was taunted with, "You have bags under your eyes." I actually thought that the first time I watched the season premiere. I love McGee. He's actually my favorite character but he just seemed down, like a light in him has gone out. I don't know how else to describe what I'm trying to say." He might just have had a bad cold or maybe the flu, since the actors work even when they're sick. As you may recall in one episode in S8 MW was working with laryngitis, and other members of the cast have said the same. So let's give them a bit of leeway Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
rosecake	31. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 10:14 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 10:17 AM EDT "Sorry, but I'm not sure its fair to blame Shane Brennan for the character changes. He never wrote a lot of the episodes. The last one he wrote was season 6 Legends part 2. I feel others would have had an imput into the characters developments. Just my thoughts." Sorry, but I disagree with you. Maybe SB didn't write a lot of episodes but as the showrunner he decided all the guidelines of the show, he was present at all pre-shooting meetings (in CBS-NCIS offices or on videoconference, as OLS pre-shooting video showed) and, as JS said on Twitter, he had the final word on whatever they shooted and aired (ex. he decided to cut off the kiss in the shower between Tony and EJ on OLS). So yes, I blame him for the bad re-writing of all characters and the entire show too. jmo Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nevermissncis	32. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 10:48 AM EDT I like the banter but I agree. I said that in a previous post. The success of the show has been all the characters. Once in a while it is a featured character and that happens in most ensemble shows. This year is already sooo much better than last but We need Ziva, Abby, McGee, Ducky and Palmer and where is Vance sometimes? The show started as a full cast and it needs to go back to that. Go look at the episodes that at run daily on USA and that is a team! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KathleenPhelan	33. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 10:51 AM EDT "He might just have had a bad cold or maybe the flu, since the actors work even when they're sick. As you may recall in one episode in S8 MW was working with laryngitis, and other members of the cast have said the same. So let's give them a bit of leeway" THere have been times I could hear MH having a cold.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sorgiña	34. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 11:09 AM EDT "THere have been times I could hear MH having a cold.." I forget in which DVD extras when the whole cast mentioned they often worked with bad colds, flu, etc., and that the writers took advantage of that by either giving them more lines or commenting on it in some way. So I'm thinking that's the case with SM in this week's episode. So I didn't think the comment was anything to write home about. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rosecake	35. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 11:39 AM EDT "I like the banter but I agree. I..." I agree with you about Abby, McGee, Ducky, Palmer and Vance, but I think we've had plenty of Ziva in the last 2 seasons. I started watching NCIS when they first aired it, I've all DVD and I've learned all episodes by heart (lol), so I know how the show was and what it became in the last est years. We can't judge S9 after only 2 episodes, but from what GG said, I think he really wants to get back to DPB's show, where Tony&Gibbs were the central characters of the show, but mostly where the case was the centre of every episode and during the investigation we found out details about the characters' lives. I think this will be a big changing for all people that started watching NCIS during SB's Age, because in the lastest seasons the case and the corpse looked like just an excuse to talk about the characters' private lives. This episode is the perfect example of what was NCIS in the beginning. First thing first, we didn't have any mean joke/humor, unbelievable/useless flirtation and all characters were in-character. Then the case was interesting and unpredictable, the investigation was their main interest and while they were looking for the PO's assassin, we found out something about Tony, McGee, Ducky, Palmer and Abby's past at school, we saw Tony&McGee as friends and colleagues again (I really missed them) and in the end, not only we've had an amazing MW-MH's scene but we also saw a bit of the real Tony behind his mask. I'm sure that in the future there'll be space for all of them: Tim and his grandmom, Abby and her brother, Ziva and the important women of her past, Gibbs (and Fornell)and his first ex-wife, Ducky and his new girlfriend, Palmer and his wedding, and many interesting case. I hope they'll keep writing the show as they wrote first two episodes :))) Sorry if I deleted. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ncisno1	36. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 3:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 3:01 PM EDT I completely agree with you rosecake :) I watched NCIS from the beginning but a few of my friends only started watching from about season 6 or 7 onwards so they’ve not really been used to the way NCIS was before. The way the episodes were like in season 1, 2 and 3 they were very complex you had to read between the lines and try to work things out, there was always deeper hidden meanings of things. Like the way Gibbs uses his eyes and says a lot of things from just one look without having to say a word. That wasn’t the same for season 7 and 8. I had to say this a few time to my friends when they talked about season 7 and 8 that Gibbs is the team leader but Tony is the senior field agent, he’s higher up than McGee and Ziva. Yes McGee has been an agent for a good few years now but he came out of uni and went in to the job he’s not had the same experiences as Tony has with being a cop for a good few years before joining NCIS. Ziva may have a lot of experience but she hasn’t as an American agent. Using the dead air episode as an example the way McGee and Ziva treated Tony when he was doing the round the door interviews was shocking, Tony is their superior when Gibbs isn’t with them. In season 7 Reunion at the scene when there investigating the body’s and McGee is being a bit nasty and says Tony “you’re not the boss” Tony replies “I am when Gibbs isn’t here.” I really am happy with the way season 9 is going so far and I feel this episode was more of a group episode. In season 7 there was a lot of Ziva and Gibbs but not very much about everyone else, In this season though it looks like there is going to be a more mixture of things happening with all the characters. Like what Gary said " the team will need to work as a team closer than they did before..." Sorry for going off topic Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rosecake	37. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 3:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 3:11 PM EDT Not so off-topic since you talked about Restless as a group episode winking :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lonewolfbenji	38. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 6:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 6:34 PM EDT "There are upcoming episodes with McGee and Abbys backgrounds lonewolfbenji. I think McGees is on next week when his grandma turns up." Yes, McGee's upcoming episode will determine for me whether I continue watching or not. He hasn't had a good episode since Cover Story way back in S4 and has been pushed so far in the background, he's almost invisible. In the first 5 seasons he grew leaps and bounds. I think he should get a whole 6/7 episode arc the same as Gibbs, Tony and Ziva have had, but.... I do like they are writing Tony more mature/ competent and I think they should do the same for Tim. What tidbits we've learned about him and Abby hardly compare to the others. So Abby had a prom dress. Big deal! Some like the Gibbs/Tony dynamic, I prefer the Gibbs/Abby dynamic and want more. So if I don't start seeing more GOOD Tim, Abby (along with Gibbs) scenes and more background on them, I 'll stop watching. I don't care if it's SB or GG's fault. I just prefer the so-called peripheral characters of this show (Tim, Abby, Ducky) over the so-called stars. And if it's a true ensemble, like in the beginning, that shouldn't be a problem. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sorgiña	39. RE: Chat about 9.02 Restless today Tuesday 27/09/11 Oct 1 2011, 6:55 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 6:55 PM EDT Can we try and stay on topic people please - thanks Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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