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MargyW
MargyW
20. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 20 2010, 10:51 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2010, 10:51 PM EST
"I don't think Glee is all that great either.... but, that's my opinion and it's highly popular and getting awards. Why? cuz it's a musical? "
Because it's different, would be my guess.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
21. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 12:44 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 12:44 AM EST
I think music appeals to the younger generation a lot. I've seen 3 year olds rock-a-long..lol.. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
weatherlywatcher49
weatherlywatcher49
22. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 1:12 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 1:12 AM EST
"I'm also wondering if some find the show 'lacking' why are you still watching if you feel it's not that good? just curious..."
In a world where reality shows have taken over it is hard to find a good drama or comedy. When you do, you stick with it, even when you get upset.

I know that many people feel that if you complain about an episode, or about how a character is being written inconsistently that you hate the show. I have seen many posts where people have complained about an episode and had someone tell them, "If you didn't like NCIS, don't watch ," or they question why people are still watching as you have done, hotch. It's not that I do not like NCIS - just that I do not like some of the changes that have been made. Just as you love your friends, even if they have flaws - you love the show, even though you feel it has it's flaws.

Simply put, I do not fool myself into believing that I am going to like each and every episode. I don't think there is a fan of NCIS who could truthfully say that they liked every episode or that they haven't complained about something that has happened with a character, or what they felt was a bad episode. For a show to please every fan in every episode would be virtually impossible.

Even though I may feel some of the episodes are not as compelling as episodes of the past, I still feel that NCIS is the best drama on television. They have the best cast around - especially Michael Weatherly and Mark Harmon. As long as they are around, I will take the bad with the good and continue watching.

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rosecake
rosecake
24. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 7:38 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 7:42 AM EST
"it's interesting to say that NCIS is the show that shouldn't have been. I watched JAG and was a huge fan - same with NCIS. I guess I'm not understanding why it would annoy 'big stars' of Hollywood - CSI was a big hit, still doesn't do bad, but it's had 2 spinoffs, both successful as well. So I'm not sure how it can annoy anyone - talented actors, good storylines, with an occasional 'eh' episode.

I'm also wondering if some..."
CSI and its spin-offs do not talk about Navy, Marines and soldiers in general, NCIS does, and in world (Hollywood) that turns decidely to left, NCIS success is really annoying and must be ''punished'' in a way or another.
Unfortunately for them, viewers are smarter than them and do not pay so much attention to awards, even though it would be great to see our favourite show to receive the proper and deserved recognition. JMHO

I can complain about how they change a character if I think that they do that for the best, but I still love the show, especially because despite some changes that make no sense (to me) and some not-so-good episodes, our cast is very talented (especially MW and MH) and they can almost always save the day.
I do not find the plots less intriguing or exciting, except for S7 Finale (the most boring and less exciting finale of ever) and a few other ep. I just think that they change all the characters too much and not for the best. That's what really annoys me.
If we watch their first seasons (Tony/Gibbs/Abby/Ducky since S1, McGee from S2 and Ziva from S3) and then we make a comparison with the last two, we barely recognized them. I know that every character, as every person in real life, has to change but they do not need to become completely another person.

Maybe I'm an incurable optimist, but I always hope that the next episode will better than the last one :)

Sorry if I deleted :)

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weatherlywatcher49
weatherlywatcher49
25. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 9:59 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 9:59 AM EST
"CSI and its spin-offs do not talk about Navy, Marines and soldiers in general, NCIS does, and in world (Hollywood) that turns decidely to left, NCIS success is really annoying and must be ''punished'' in a way or another.
Unfortunately for them, viewers are smarter than them and do not pay so much attention to awards, even though it would be great to see our favourite show to receive the proper and deserved recognition. JMHO

I can complain about how they change a character if I think that they do that for the best, but I still love the show, especially because despite some changes that make no sense (to me) and some not-so-good episodes, our cast is very talented (especially MW and MH) and they can almost always save the day.
I do not find the plots less intriguing or exciting, except for S7 Finale (the most boring and less exciting finale of ever) and a few other ep. I just think that they change all the characters too much and not for the best. That's what really annoys me.
If we watch their first seasons (Tony/Gibbs/Abby/Ducky since S1, McGee from S2 and Ziva from S3) and then we make a comparison with the last two, we barely recognized them. I know that every character, as every person in real life, has to change but they do not need to become completely another person.

Maybe I'm an incurable optimist, but I always hope that the next episode will better than the last one :)

Sorry if I deleted :)

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You said it so much better than I could, rose. I was somewhat afraid to bring up the change of characters but what you are saying is the truth. SB's versions of these characters are not like DB's versions.

As you said, the characters all have to grow - like McGee has done. I understand that. But having Tony and Abby regress and having Ziva's history basically re-written at the end of season 6 is not understandable.

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Irishelf
26. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 10:00 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 10:00 AM EST
I think it's partly political and partly hype. Some of the best actors and shows rarely get nominated while some of the worst get nominated over and over again. The Pretender was one of the best shows, and I don't think it was ever nominated, while I can't stand House (if I went to a hospital and had a doctor like that I would run out the door)! Glee reminds me of Cop Rock (ugg). The shows that get nominated tend to have a lot of hype even if they have lower ratings. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
rosecake
rosecake
27. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 21 2010, 11:16 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2010, 11:16 AM EST
"You said it so much better than I could, rose. I was somewhat afraid to bring up the change of characters but what you are saying is the truth. SB's versions of these characters are not like DB's versions.

As you said, the characters all have to grow - like McGee has done. I understand that. But having Tony and Abby regress and having Ziva's history basically re-written at the end of season 6 is not understandable.

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Thank you :)
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AnnieKnows
28. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 23 2010, 12:50 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2010, 12:50 PM EST
Could not agree more. One of the unfortunate things about this season is that the writers have apparently slipped back into their lamentable (and getting old)routine wherein the first three or four episodes of a new season heat up (another word is "tease") the Tony/Ziva relationship only to have it put on the backburner and completely discounted by mid-October. The dialogue changes from the suggestive and intimate to denials and put-downs. This now appears to be standard operating procedure. I don't know if the writers have become lazy or are just out of ideas but this is less than satisfactory for a series with a viewership that is well-versed in past storylines and one that demands continuity -- not stagnation.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
30. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 23 2010, 5:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2010, 5:55 PM EST
Personally I like how the writers are handling Tiva. I love the tease..the off and on friendship.( I have know in real life of a couple of relationships that started out this way.) The Tiva relationship just indicates to me, that neither side is ready for a permanent one. I don't think the writers want it to go one way or the other. I don't feel that this will be part of the reason as to why NCIS hasn't received any wards either. Some members have suggested "military" as part of the reason, but I am unsure of that. I don't find the writers have stagnated myself, I have found the variety of storylines great. Some of our writers have won awards, Shane Brennan won one just last year. We have Jesse Stern who is a gem, awards or not. I loved Truth and Consequence..a few flaws there, but ones imagination of what and why something came about can be easily accepted. I am not one to nit pick about some details. They have only about 42 minutes to play out the whole episode of any story. I though Dennis Smith the director did a great job. I loved their return to ncis in the elevator scenes. No award for this writer for this episode?..oh, well, I could careless, I was happy and enjoyed it. To me, NCIS as a whole is far better than any other television show, who also have as many, or a lot more flaws in their episodes.
Awards won or not..I'm here for the duration.
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zivadavidncis
zivadavidncis
31. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 23 2010, 6:06 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2010, 6:08 PM EST
"Personally I like how the writers are handling Tiva. I love the tease..the off and on friendship.( I have know in real life of a couple of relationships that started out this way.) The Tiva relationship just indicates to me, that neither side is ready for a permanent one. I don't think the writers want it to go one way or the other. I don't feel that this will be part of the reason as to why NCIS hasn't received any wards either. Some members have suggested "military" as part of the reason, but I am unsure of that. I don't find the writers have stagnated myself, I have found the variety of storylines great. Some of our writers have won awards, Shane Brennan won one just last year. We have Jesse Stern who is a gem, awards or not. I loved Truth and Consequence..a few flaws there, but ones imagination of what and why something came about can be easily accepted. I am not one to nit pick about some details. They have only about 42 minutes to play out the whole episode of any story. I though Dennis Smith the director did a great job. I loved their return to ncis in the elevator scenes. No award for this writer for this episode?..oh, well, I could careless, I was happy and enjoyed it. To me, NCIS as a whole is far better than any other television show, who also have as many, or a lot more flaws in their episodes.
Awards won or not..I'm here for the duration.
"
Agreed! I definetly think that wether they get awards or not i dont care because i love the show and it is definetly better than every other show i have ever watched.. But it would be pretty awesome...
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zivadavidncis
zivadavidncis
32. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 23 2010, 6:09 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2010, 6:09 PM EST
oh and p.s. i am totally anti-glee! no offense to anyone. Do you find this valuable?    
weatherlywatcher49
weatherlywatcher49
33. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 12:51 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 12:51 AM EST
"Personally I like how the writers are handling Tiva. I love the tease..the off and on friendship.( I have know in real life of a couple of relationships that started out this way.) The Tiva relationship just indicates to me, that neither side is ready for a permanent one. I don't think the writers want it to go one way or the other. I don't feel that this will be part of the reason as to why NCIS hasn't received any wards either. Some members have suggested "military" as part of the reason, but I am unsure of that. I don't find the writers have stagnated myself, I have found the variety of storylines great. Some of our writers have won awards, Shane Brennan won one just last year. We have Jesse Stern who is a gem, awards or not. I loved Truth and Consequence..a few flaws there, but ones imagination of what and why something came about can be easily accepted. I am not one to nit pick about some details. They have only about 42 minutes to play out the whole episode of any story. To me, NCIS as a whole is far better than any other television show, who also have as many, or a lot more flaws in their episodes.
Awards won or not..I'm here for the duration.
"
I have to agree that awards or not - I watch the show and while I am tired of certain things, as you said NCIS is better than any other show on tv right now.

Having said that, I have to disagree with you on the way that they are handling the Tony and Ziva thing. I think that Frog is right when she says that SB is trying to satisfy both camps - pro and con - and in trying to do that he is frustrating and confusing many.

Yes, there are couples who, as you said, started out that way. But Tony and Ziva have known each other for going on 6 years now - that is too long to carry on with this and say that fear of commitment is the problem.

As MW has said, the time for that relationship is gone. It passed a long time ago, IMO.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
34. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 1:43 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 1:48 AM EST
Yes, Shane is trying to satisfy both camps. He has said himself its like juggling chainsaws...lol...so the options left as I see it are, a) move Tiva into a romance and make the show like every other with "in between the sheets" or a bit of a soap opera orianated series, B) leave it as a workplace friendship/tease senario, just as it is, C.) or have one of the characters leave, and move on without a 4th agent or get in a new male character so we don't go up this road again...it may be 6 years, as I said it has been known with others in real life to go 10 before action was finally decided. I'm sticking with option B. Personally, I just like the show to be the great show it is and not really worry about how many years something goes on for..to me its part of the charm of what makes NCIS terrific in my opinion. Gibbs has been in a quandery for as many years, I wouldn't really like for him to change either. I feel this show is award winning regards of whether they have plaques up on the wall or not. It is a shame they don't have any to boast about, but as they say, thats show biz...no matter how unfair it all is. To me, even in real life, fear of commitment can be a life long thing for some people.Michael saying that the relationship time has gone kind of passed says it all to me...but this is just how I see it. 4  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

FFFrog
35. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 3:18 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 3:18 AM EST
".Michael saying that the relationship time has gone kind of passed says it all to me...but this is just how I see it."
did he say that? I must have missed that one. I think he's spot on.
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weatherlywatcher49
weatherlywatcher49
36. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 7:25 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 7:26 AM EST
"did he say that? I must have missed that one. I think he's spot on."
Yeah, in one of his interviews - I believe it was last year. And I agree with you that Michael is spot on.

Bells, I do not know if you are saying that Michael is afraid of a commitment with the Ziva/Tony thing but if that is what you were saying, I can understand why he does not want to go down that road again. When he was on Dark Angel, they paired Max and Logan together too quickly and then had to come up with stupid plots in order to make people still want to watch. Sadly, the show tanked after the 2nd season and I am sure Michael does not want the same thing to happen to NCIS.

Yes, Gibbs has always been a mystery and it is fun watching the character storyline unravel - as it is with all of the characters, however, the Tiva thing is just getting plain old annoying for a lot of people pro and con. I think that SB needs to make a stand and come down firmly on one side or the other. While I am anti-Tiva, I would much rather SB make a decision, even if it were for Tiva, then I would this back and forth thing that makes Tony and especially Ziva, seem like they have two personalities. I don't think either character would have to leave - that would be drastic. But if Cote were to leave the show, I don't think they would need to do without a 4th agent or get another man to take her place - as long as the writers do not "hint" at a relationship like they did with Ziva and Tony.

While it is a shame that they do not have any awards, the actors and everyone at NCIS do not seem like they care that much about not getting any awards - which takes us back to the theory that the actors and the crew do not shmooze with the Hollywood types in order to get nominated. I applaud them for that.
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mcseek
mcseek
37. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 7:53 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 7:55 AM EST
"I think the show has annoyed the 'big stars' of Hollywood - it's the show that in their minds should never have been a hit. It was a spin off of a moderately successful show. JAG lasted 10 years, but it was a slow burn, had a modest increase in viewers before falling away towards the last few seasons. It was also much more markedly militaristic which (wrongly) would have put off some viewers.

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I tend to agree with you sueKay87 in that the show doesn't get critical acclaim or awards because it spotlights the military generally in a supporting way although there have been times when the writers/characters have specifically said they're supporting the troops, not the war; figuring out the crime, not "yes sirring" the government's decisions. When I look at the other shows receiving awards - House, The Sopranos, The Closer, Law and Order ... I don't see better acting, writing, or plots. Obviously some episodes are better than others but NCIS isn't as consistently "heavy" I guess as some of the others, but isn't that just part of its charm? :) Sry for deleting some of your post...
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KathleenPhelan
KathleenPhelan
38. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 24 2010, 10:42 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2010, 10:42 AM EST
"So basically NCIS is the little engine that could when the industry said it couldn't. *Smiles* I can see how that would be a problem as well no one likes to be proven wrong, much less give awards for it."
Actually that phrase had been used consistently over the last several years and at one point I seem to recall it was starting to annoy even Mark Harmon. Not that much could visibly annoy him or he doesn't let it show.
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taylorgibbs
39. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 26 2010, 7:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 26 2010, 7:49 PM EST
Hollywood is so politicized and the award shows are politicized beyond reason. NCIS has never played politics. Bellisario has never been interested, as far as I can tell, the cast and crew work far too hard, and play too little, to be "names" on the Hollywood party scene. They're just simply not as "known" on an interpersonal relationship level as some actors. I'm thinking of the people who are often at premieres and events.

The NCIS folks just don't do that. Sure, PP does some events, but they're mostly charity driven, which isn't as "cool", and Mw does the very occasional event, but they're not out like, say, the Glee actors.

Couple that with the American version of the "tall Poppy syndrome". For some reason, Hollywood hardly ever wants to recognize shows or movies that are popular. Its as if popularity means a lessening in quality.

And I don't think you can discount the fact that NCIS plays very well in the more conservative areas of the country and has a very pro-military bent.

While Call of Silence was nominated, it was for Charles Durning as guest actor. COS is my favorite NCIS episode, and I think CD absolutely deserved that nomination, but I also think it was politically driven and that people heard his personal story and responded to him.

I think that it ends up being a combination of all of these things. And NCIS has never fit neatly into *any* box.

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bellswebster
bellswebster
40. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 28 2010, 5:27 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2010, 5:34 AM EST
Cote de Pablo has won an award for NCIS and been nominated for a couple.

Imagen Foundation Awards
2006 - Won for Best Supporting Actress in Television for NCIS.
2008 - Nominated for Best Supporting Actress - Television for NCIS.

ALMA Awards
2008 - Nominated for Outstanding Actress in a Drama Television Series (NCIS)
2009 - Nominated for an ALMA Award at the ALMA Awards for Outstanding Actress in a Drama Television Series for NCIS (2009).
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Scorpio-lady
Scorpio-lady
41. RE: Why No Awards
Dec 28 2010, 11:11 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2010, 11:14 AM EST
Let's face it folks, politics in Hollywood have always been corrupt when it comes time to "award" people for their achievements in film. They've snubbed people who definitely deserved recognition, and awarded people who fell way below the standard without the bat of an eye!

My personal thought about why NCIS is consistently snubbed is because Don B. dared to "step outside the box" when he created NCIS, and as a result NCIS has faced punishment because of this. NCIS is not only a crime drama, it also "dares" to explore the relationships between it's characters, and also adds some great humor to it's episodes. How can those who only know what the inside of the box looks like be expected to appreciate how incredibly popular this show is to fans the world over? NCIS has not only broken the mold, it has created an entirely new one that Hollywood simply can't get it's head around. To my way of thinking, the high ratings and popularity of NCIS is the best award of all. This is what the whole cast and crew value, and that's good enough for me *smiling*.
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