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Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 13 2010, 5:02 PM EDT
For the first time, an Israeli hero was brought in a show like NCIS and, though she is a killer and a spy, she is the character who ressembles Gibbs he most out of all the NCIS characters. Yet she is also unique as, as much as she ressembles Gibbs, she isn't as much like him as it seems. While Gibbs has had the fortune of having a loving father despite their strained relationshîp, Ziva has been raised by a power-hungry, manipulative father who sees her mearly as a tool to serve his own ends. Despite this, she was unable to bring herself to admit it to herself...until she met Gibbs, who took over the role of a father in her life. I was so glad when she turned her back on Mossad and most particularly on her father, the man who forced her to kill her own brother! I would love it if it was Ziva who pulled the trigger on the gun that will kill Eli David.
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Ziva4ever |
1. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 2 2012, 4:41 PM EDT
I think I would have to agree with you on that one. I really like how Ziva and Gibbs sort of have a father daughter relationship. I think that besides her coming on the show, my favortie part was when she came to NCIS. I really think that I would cry( of happieness) if she pulled the trigger to kill Eli David, but I think that they will not make her do that because they made it seem like killing her brother was the hardest decision of her life. Althought that wold make it soo much more interesting!!!
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ZivaDiva |
2. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 1:58 AM EDT
Yeah, she seems to kind of keep it altogether pretty well. Gibbs is a pretty stable character, and Ziva is like the edgier part of that.I'm still loving that her mentor was @iKarinaLombard - maybe we'll see more appearances by her? It would be awesome!!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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froggg |
3. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 4:20 AM EDT
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" While Gibbs has had the fortune of having a loving father despite their strained relationshîp, Ziva has been raised by a power-hungry, manipulative father who sees her mearly as a tool to serve his own ends. "Nice idea. Its just a shame its not supported by the facts on the show. Ziva was raised by a mother who ensures she had all of the benefits of a privilidged and monied lifestyle including the chance to not follow her father's footsteps. Up to the moment she pulled the trigger Ziva had continual opportunities to save her brother but she didn't take them. Even that kill shot was set up so that she could win Gibbs trust. She wasn't forced into that role. She chose it. Ziva is not a pawn of fate. All of her problems have come about as a result of her own, adult choices. That she can't take responsiblity for them and accept this is probably her most major fault. 4 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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froggg |
4. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 4:22 AM EDT
"I'd like to know when they had time to form a mentoring relationship bearing in mind that Ziva has been at NCIS since she was 22. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Irishelf |
5. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 9:53 AM EDT
"Nice idea. Its just a shame its not supported by the facts on the show. Ziva was raised by a mother who ensures she had all of the benefits of a privilidged and monied lifestyle including the chance to not follow her father's footsteps. Up to the moment she pulled the trigger Ziva had continual opportunities to save her brother but she didn't take them. Even that kill shot was set up so that she could win Gibbs trust. She wasn't forced into that role. She chose it. Ziva is not a pawn of fate. All of her problems have come about as a result of her own, adult choices. That she can't take responsiblity for them and accept this is probably her most major fault."I think you need to watch "Kill Ari" again. 1. Ziva slipped a false passport for the woman at the pool to give to Ari. 2. They were to meet in Paris (not Israel). 3. Ziva told Ari Gibbs asked her to be backup on the roof (basically warning Ari it was a set up). These facts show she was trying to get Ari out of the country and NOT trying to kill him. Yes, she could have seriously injured him, rather than kill him, but I think she knew what Mossad would do to him if he was captured alive. And I don't get where you're getting that Ziva had a privelidged monied lifestyle. Because she wanted a pony (like many little girls, rich or poor) from her uncle (who raised Arabians)? Because she had dance lessons (again, like many little girls, even those who may not have much money)? And it was implicitly stated that Eli ran the household and was raising the children the way he wanted (he says himself he raised Ziva to be a killer and Ari says he was raised to be a mole). Yes, Ziva's mother took the girls away from Eli, but nowhere has it been said how long she had them. For all we know, she was killed shortly after leaving Eli! 4 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 11:28 AM EDT
"I think you need to watch "Kill Ari" again. 1. Ziva slipped a false passport for the woman at the pool to give to Ari. 2. They were to meet in Paris (not Israel). 3. Ziva told Ari Gibbs asked her to be backup on the roof (basically warning Ari it was a set up). These facts show she was trying to get Ari out of the country and NOT trying to kill him. Yes, she could have seriously injured him, rather than kill him, but I think she knew what Mossad would do to him if he was captured alive. And I don't get where you're getting that Ziva had a privelidged monied lifestyle. Because she wanted a pony (like many little girls, rich or poor) from her uncle (who raised Arabians)? Because she had dance lessons (again, like many little girls, even those who may not have much money)? And it was implicitly stated that Eli ran the household and was raising the children the way he wanted (he says himself he raised Ziva to be a killer and Ari says he was raised to be a mole). Yes, Ziva's mother took the girls away from Eli, but nowhere has it been said how long she had them. For all we know, she was killed shortly after leaving Eli!"The facts you state are true but then at the end of the show Ziva is called to MTAC for a conference with then Duputy Director David and was ordered to do what se did. She also tells Gibbs what her thoughts were in Reunion and that she changed here actions after finding out the truth about her half brother - We do know the Ziva's mother taught her to drive (Enemies Foriegn or maybe Enemies Domestic) so I wouold assume her mother was alive when Ziva was 15 or 16. As far as being priviledged I do not remember it being stated but I would also assume she was based on her fathers position - Very powerful - probally in the top ten of her coouintry as far as power - And power typically brings wealth. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 2:10 PM EDT
"The facts you state are true but then at the end of the show Ziva is called to MTAC for a conference with then Duputy Director David and was ordered to do what se did. She also tells Gibbs what her thoughts were in Reunion and that she changed here actions after finding out the truth about her half brother - "She volunteered for a job to kill Ari and win Gibbs trust and that is exactly what she did. She was an excellent shot and that one was close range. She did not need to take a kill shot. She could easily have disabled him. She chose instead to kill iand, having done so, she chose to use her brother's death to manipulate Gibbs and fulfil her Mossad mission. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 2:13 PM EDT
" And I don't get where you're getting that Ziva had a privelidged monied lifestyle. Because she wanted a pony (like many little girls, rich or poor) from her uncle (who raised Arabians)? Because she had dance lessons (again, like many little girls, even those who may not have much money)? And it was implicitly stated that Eli ran the household and was raising the children the way he wanted (he says himself he raised Ziva to be a killer and Ari says he was raised to be a mole). Yes, Ziva's mother took the girls away from Eli, but nowhere has it been said how long she had them. For all we know, she was killed shortly after leaving Eli!"The very fact that her uncle raised arabians and was in a position to give her a pony suggests a fairly privilideged background in its own right without anything else. 3 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Ziva4ever |
9. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 7:02 PM EDT
Please do not go into one of those heated conversations. It seems as if every time that I get on here and post those get started. I dont know what it is. Maybe missfortune is following me, but I really think that this being locked can be avoided, and I think it should be avoided. And just soo we get this straight I have never been wealthy, but I have owned a horse that has been passed down for years now. Just because you have horses doesnt mean that you come from a priviledged back ground. 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
10. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 4 2012, 8:03 PM EDT
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Not that I would want any character to form a relationship. But Ziva would likely understand Gibbs quite well. I feel she would be more suited personality wise to him more so than to Tony.
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froggg |
11. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 3:54 AM EDT
"Having a father who is deputy director of a national agency and an uncle who breeds Arabians and is willing to give you a pony because you've asked him for one in addition to being able to study music and dance means that your family has, at the very least, a reasonable degree of money and the ability and willingness to spend it on you. That is not a sign of a poor or neglectful upbringing. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 9:26 AM EDT
"Having a father who is deputy director of a national agency and an uncle who breeds Arabians and is willing to give you a pony because you've asked him for one in addition to being able to study music and dance means that your family has, at the very least, a reasonable degree of money and the ability and willingness to spend it on you. That is not a sign of a poor or neglectful upbringing."Just because an uncle is rich doesn't mean a father is rich. Eli was not deputy director when he met Vance (otherwise he would have had an agent for security with him). And even though our family was poor, I was able to study music through a school program (meaning it was free). 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Irishelf |
13. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 9:31 AM EDT
"The facts you state are true but then at the end of the show Ziva is called to MTAC for a conference with then Duputy Director David and was ordered to do what se did. She also tells Gibbs what her thoughts were in Reunion and that she changed here actions after finding out the truth about her half brother -As many people have said before, Eli would not give an order to kill over MTAC. In "Reunion" she says she was sent to kill Ari, but never intended to do it-she wanted to protect him from both Mossad and NCIS. And as for Ziva's mom teaching her driving, that was a writer not paying attention to past episodes. In "Deception" she said she taught herself how to drive! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 10:41 AM EDT
"Just because an uncle is rich doesn't mean a father is rich. Eli was not deputy director when he met Vance (otherwise he would have had an agent for security with him). And even though our family was poor, I was able to study music through a school program (meaning it was free). "Father was deputy director when she was joining Mossad so clearly he would have been a senior offfical at this time. Music and dancing lessons, martial arts training and language classs all suggest money and a willingness to provide the lessons and the means to get to and from them. A child form a poor background might get access to one of them but not all. The fact that her uncle was prepared to give her a pony means she has to have had the faciliites to own one. A poor city kid does not have these. Nor can a poor family fund medical training in a foreign country. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
15. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 6:21 PM EDT
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Having money doesn't make you who you are are as a person. It might define your position in life. I was watching Freedom last night, and Ziva was talking to Gunny Georgina Wootten and she knew, without being told, of her bashing's from domestic abuse. Ziva said to her: "I know what it's like to be under the control of a man. To feel like you have no power. And the only way to get that power back is to shut down. You tell yourself you must shut down. You tell yourself to never show emotion to anybody. I know what that's like. It's the only way you can survive. I also know what it's like to want to seek revenge." Ziva was contolled by her father. When you are part of something like Mossad, you don't argue the point about anything. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 7:15 PM EDT
"Having money doesn't make you who you are are as a person. It might define your position in life. I was watching Freedom last night, and Ziva was talking to Gunny Georgina Wootten and she knew, without being told, of her bashing's from domestic abuse.Maybe she was just talking about Saleem and her captivity in Somalia. I don't know if Ziva had a rich childhood or not, but certainly she didn't have a poor childhood and certainly nobody forced her to do anything. That's for sure. She voluntarily joined Mossad after Tali's death. She decided to take the mission to kill Ari, because Eli had already given the mission to someone else. It doesn't matter if she took the mission to save Ari, what matters is that, though she was in USA before Ari killed Kate, she didn't stop him. Then she voluntarily decided to follow her father's orders and killed Ari to gain Gibbs' trust (and we still don't know why Eli David wanted Gibbs' trust since he had the Director of NCIS' trust!). She could have wounded him and let Gibbs arrest him (better than leaving him in Mossad custody). Back on-topic. I don't think Ziva's the more Gibbslike character of the show. To Gibbs honesty, loyalty and his team's safety are three of the most important things in his life and Ziva has already showed us that she doesn't feel the same JMHO. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 7:23 PM EDT
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A little of topic:http://www.jewcy.com/arts-and-culture/network-jews-ziva-david-from-cbs-ncis Interview with Cote. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 7:36 PM EDT
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A lot of Ziva's character references here go back to her early seasons, she is not like that now. She did what she did back then because of her commitment to Mossad. She changed not long after when she saw things in a different way. You don't forget your training. Mossads way was not to take prisoners. No one knows Ziva knew Ari was going to kill Kate. It was his mission to kill as many as Gibbs personale as possible, not necessarily Kate. Ziva wasn't aware of 'the other side of the coin' until she knew Gibbs and his team better.I still think referring Ziva to Gibbs still applies in the way, that she has emotional restraint like him, she is strong in attitude, determine to win no matter what, and a good sniper. Th others are good agents for sure, but she has a fiesty-drive that I feel the others don't have. She is the one you cringe from when hell is about to break loose. Gibbs is not someone either with whom you *p*uss*y-foot around with. Gibbs killed Hernandez and he didn't have to. Ziva is always the one who is asked to 'take the shot'...just like Gibbs can. To me they share similar characteristics. They are alike. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Ziva is the more Gibbslike character of the show.
Jun 5 2012, 7:42 PM EDT
Ziva has and frequently does play the "daddy card" with Gibbs, i.e. she hits where he's most susceptible. I certainly don't think she's Gibbs like at all, to me none of the characters are twins/imitations of the other, as far as I'm concerned, there really is no similarity. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |