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MargyW	Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 2:29 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 2:29 PM EST My blog entry for the day. http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com/page/NCIS+MODERATORS%27+BLOG+56 As always, any feedback/discussion would be great. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Jenny Shepard NCIS Moderators Blog
Mona92	1. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 3:06 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 3:06 PM EST "My blog entry for the day. http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com/page/NCIS+MODERATORS%27+BLOG+56 As always, any feedback/discussion would be great." The topic for all her behavior is selfishness. I agree completely with everything you pointed out. Let me add some more. Gibbs was arrested while working undercover with Jenny Shepherd in Marseille in 1999, as she stood by and did nothing – that is why he no longer trusts her. She also messed up at some point while undercover and Gibbs covered for her; we get to know this in Judgement Day. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MargyW	2. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 3:13 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 3:13 PM EST "The topic for all her behavior is selfishness. I agree completely with everything you pointed out. Let me add some more. Gibbs was arrested while working undercover with Jenny Shepherd in Marseille in 1999, as she stood by and did nothing – that is why he no longer trusts her. She also messed up at some point while undercover and Gibbs covered for her; we get to know this in Judgement Day. " I agree selfish covers it all. Problem is, it would have been a very short blog. lol. You made a good point about Gibbs arrest and Jenny doing nothing about it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Mona92	3. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 4:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 4:27 PM EST "I agree selfish covers it all. Problem is, it would have been a very short blog. lol. You made a good point about Gibbs arrest and Jenny doing nothing about it." Yes, the blog would have been too short, indeed. LOL. And it was good to make us review the full details. I have still something more to add. She sent Tony on the La Grenouille mission without caring if he was able to do this and without to warn him not let his own feelings come into play. Far from it! She encouraged him to sleep with her if he was attracted to her. And in the end she sarcastically asked him how he had thought it would end up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Probie007	4. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 4:39 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 4:51 PM EST While I agree that Jenny was definitely not my fave characters, there were a couple of good things as well like below. Also Ducky said something after she died which meant that she kept duty infront of everything else......So, while I didnt enjoy the La Grenouille story arc, I cant say I hated her or disliked her character.....Yes, she was all the things you pointed out, barring Obessiveness about La Grenouille and Viciousness, I cant say the other qualities were neccessarily bad......She did what she could to get the job done....sure she used her power/contacts to meet Gibbs when he was in the hospital, but that was out of concern.....In Chimera, she told the other guy for wanting to get it on with her.....She made it clear that she would do whatever it takes to keep her team safe....whereas on the other hand, we had Vance who put a favor from his friend (Eli) ahead of keeping his team safe - throwing Tony to the wolves as Gibbs said..... As for causing Tony pain, I dont think she needed to make it clear to Tony not to let his personal feelings invovled.....Tony would have known that having gone undercover before and being a senior field agent.... 1. She always wanted to cover her team and was concerned about their safety - Chimera for eg. 2. She was concerned for Gibbs (irrespective of what she may or may not have done earlier) - the one in which he enters a classroom where a kid is holding his class hostage and wanted to do something about it. and of course Judgement Day itself (though it could be argued she chose her own death, but if it hadnt been Gibbs life on the line she wouldnt have gone this far).... Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Probie007	5. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:24 PM EST Just wrote a whole post and lost it! So let me try again.... 1.Vicious - the episode where she tells Mann that she knows Gibbs long I think is Shariff Returns. Gibbs was acting weird and Jenny picks on it and so does Tony in the squadroom but thinks its obsessiveness to catch Shariff. As it turns out, Jenny was right and Gibbs was poisoned and was hallucinating.... 2.Obsessive - So was Gibbs when trying to catch Ari and from what we hear from Ducky when trying to catch Kyle Boone so that it drove Diane away.....While its a good thing in this line of work, I wouldnt expect the director of NCIS to be perusing personal vendentta. 3. Misuses her power - So did Vance when he "borrowed" Gibbs team for his own investigation in Knock Out. And the situation quoted from Hiatus - could you blame her for it under those circumstances? 4.Uses her sex/femininity- Can you blame her when people are hitting on her to get laid?? 5.Selfish - From what I remember Gibbs never asked her.....she was definitely ambitious, but I wouldnt call her selfish for that reason. She was selfish for risking her team esp Ducky making him go undercover (in Blowback was it?) 6. Jealous - I wouldnt blame her. Gibbs has that effect - LOL! Also Ducky said after Jenny died that she held duty above all or words to that effect.......She also helped Ducky and Gibbs when they were on the run (if I remember right mentioned in Smoked). While I admit Jenny wasnt my favorite, I certainly didnt dislike her..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MargyW	6. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:28 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:28 PM EST "Just wrote a whole post and lost it! So let me try again.... 1.Vicious - the episode where she tells Mann that she knows Gibbs long I think is Shariff Returns. Gibbs was acting weird and Jenny picks on it and so does Tony in the squadroom but thinks its obsessiveness to catch Shariff. As it turns out, Jenny was right and Gibbs was poisoned and was hallucinating.... 2.Obsessive - So was Gibbs when trying to catch Ari and from what we hear from Ducky when trying to catch Kyle Boone so that it drove Diane away.....While its a good thing in this line of work, I wouldnt expect the director of NCIS to be perusing personal vendentta. 3. Misuses her power - So did Vance when he "borrowed" Gibbs team for his own investigation in Knock Out. And the situation quoted from Hiatus - could you blame her for it under those circumstances? 4.Uses her sex/femininity- Can you blame her when people are hitting on her to get laid?? 5.Selfish - From what I remember Gibbs never asked her.....she was definitely ambitious, but I wouldnt call her selfish for that reason. She was selfish for risking her team esp Ducky making him go undercover (in Blowback was it?) 6. Jealous - I wouldnt blame her. Gibbs has that effect - LOL! Also Ducky said after Jenny died that she held duty above all or words to that effect.......She also helped Ducky and Gibbs when they were on the run (if I remember right mentioned in Smoked). While I admit Jenny wasnt my favorite, I certainly didnt dislike her....." #3. Yes I do. I would want the best for the person I cared about, and if that meant staying away until the doctors told me I could visit, then that is what I would do. And have done, I might add, no matter how much it hurt me. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Probie007	7. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:28 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:28 PM EST "Yes, the blog would have been too short, indeed. LOL. And it was good to make us review the full details. I have still something more to add. She sent Tony on the La Grenouille mission without caring if he was able to do this and without to warn him not let his own feelings come into play. Far from it! She encouraged him to sleep with her if he was attracted to her. And in the end she sarcastically asked him how he had thought it would end up. " Hey Mona - I didnt like the whole La Grenouille, it was too off for me. But I certainly wouldnt blame Jenny for Tony falling in love with Jeanne.....Tony has gone undercover before and is a senior field agent, so he should certainly have known better.....While Jenny did encourage Tony to sleep with Jeanne she wouldnt have expected Tony to fall in love.......I am sure Gibbs has some rules regarding that :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JayoKemo	8. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:32 PM EST Conversations are cool! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Probie007	9. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:32 PM EST "#3. Yes I do. I would want the best for the person I cared about, and if that meant staying away until the doctors told me I could visit, then that is what I would do. And have done, I might add, no matter how much it hurt me." Agreed Margy, but people react differently..... I do agree that she misused her power esp with the La Grenouille storyline...... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bellswebster	10. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:35 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:35 PM EST "Hey Mona - I didnt like the whole La Grenouille, it was too off for me. But I certainly wouldnt blame Jenny for Tony falling in love with Jeanne.....Tony has gone undercover before and is a senior field agent, so he should certainly have known better.....While Jenny did encourage Tony to sleep with Jeanne she wouldnt have expected Tony to fall in love.......I am sure Gibbs has some rules regarding that :)" Sometimes you don't know with whom or when you are going to fall in love.. It happens..thats nature...that's life. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
bellswebster	11. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:41 PM EST "#3. Yes I do. I would want the best for the person I cared about, and if that meant staying away until the doctors told me I could visit, then that is what I would do. And have done, I might add, no matter how much it hurt me." Staying away won't make a patient get any better. Support for the patient and just being there, even for just awhile, is healing for a soul. I know Gibbs didn't remember anyone and telling him the truth hurt, but it helped him to come round. Visiting, sitting and talking for short periods of time can be helpful even if you aren't recognized. I don't feel it's being selfish in anyway...just being supportive. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
yichelle	12. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:53 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:53 PM EST "Sometimes you don't know with whom or when you are going to fall in love.. It happens..thats nature...that's life." Agree with you bellswebster Also I think Jenny insinuated for Tony to sleep with her for the purposes of keeping the undercover mission more realistic so Jeanne will buy-in into the relationship being real. She probably did not foresee that Tony would develop real feelings for Jeanne. Apart from Tony being senior field agent, Jenny probably chose him over McGee as she saw him as a player and not likely to develop real feelings, however going back to what Bellswebster said...sometimes you can't help who you fall in love with. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Mona92	13. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:54 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:54 PM EST "Hey Mona - I didnt like the whole La Grenouille, it was too off for me. But I certainly wouldnt blame Jenny for Tony falling in love with Jeanne.....Tony has gone undercover before and is a senior field agent, so he should certainly have known better.....While Jenny did encourage Tony to sleep with Jeanne she wouldnt have expected Tony to fall in love.......I am sure Gibbs has some rules regarding that :)" Hi Probie, I think Jenny has a certain responsibility for her agents. You point out that she is conerned about the safety of her agents. Tony is definitely not as full-fledged in undercover ops as Jenny, Gibbs and Ducky are. They know the rules. As she definitely knows that a good outcome of Tony's falling in love wasn’t to be expected she should have warned him instead of encouraging him to sleep with her, as besides Tony asked her for help what to do. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
yichelle	14. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 6:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 6:58 PM EST "I agree selfish covers it all. Problem is, it would have been a very short blog. lol. You made a good point about Gibbs arrest and Jenny doing nothing about it." Hi Margy and Mona, Yes she was selfish in the sense she used the agency to pursue her own vendetta but this was most likely her purpose in joining NCIS in the first place. However I feel that her need for closure and revenge (from her father's supposed suicide) was the driving force behind it all and so much to the extent it probably totally clouded her judgment so she wouldn't have seen the apparent selfishness. Also, her pursuit of La Grenouille may also be the explanation as to why she rejected Gibbs in France. Jenny had a 5 point plan and I'm guessing the goal of that plan was to be at the head of NCIS so that she could have her own agendas, ie. get La Grenouille. However at the same time, I feel that she does care alot about her ppl...esp Gibbs and we see some of that redemption when she took down Viggo in Judgment Day. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Mona92	15. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 7:04 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 7:04 PM EST In my opinion the whole mission thing was useless, anyway. Tony did not get any useful information that led to La Grenouille. He just spent time with Jeanne. For me it's a sign of her obsession of La Grenouille that she used to get hold of him by all means. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
loyalfan	16. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 7:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 7:34 PM EST I did like Jenny and I think the show has suffered without her. She provided a nice balance for the team. As I read all the criticism of her for her obsession with LaGrenouille, I wonder why there is no similar criticism for Gibb's pursuit of Ari. He made is abundantly clear the only way he would bring him in was dead, straight to autopsy. He was obsessed with avenging the death of his agent. Why is it so surprising that Jenny would be obsessed with avenging the death of her father by bringing down a large player in the international arms market? It sounds like there is a double standard here (just a pet peeve of mine). I think there are many examples of Jenny trying to do the right thing by her team. Her concern over Jethro after his exposure to a chemical weapon went virtually unnoticed. As a result of Hollis ignoring Jenny's concern, he was nearly killed by the suspect. The time she spent at his bedside while he was in coma worrying about whether or not he was in pain also seems to have gone unnoticed. Also never mentioned, is her ability to keep him from "shooting from the hip" in favor of getting all the facts before taking action (e.g. his reaction to the kidnapping of his daughter's childhood friend) and her success in working with related agencies in a way most beneficial to NCIS, something Jethro could never do. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MargyW	17. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 7:42 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 7:42 PM EST "Staying away won't make a patient get any better. Support for the patient and just being there, even for just awhile, is healing for a soul. I know Gibbs didn't remember anyone and telling him the truth hurt, but it helped him to come round. Visiting, sitting and talking for short periods of time can be helpful even if you aren't recognized. I don't feel it's being selfish in anyway...just being supportive." Actually when I patient has a severe head injury yes it does. Almost no stimulation. I know what I am talking about Bells, I don't think that in this case, you actually do. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Probie007	18. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 8:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 8:32 PM EST "In my opinion the whole mission thing was useless, anyway. Tony did not get any useful information that led to La Grenouille. He just spent time with Jeanne. For me it's a sign of her obsession of La Grenouille that she used to get hold of him by all means. " Completely agree on this point....Tony didnt even attempt to find out more information from Jeanne about her father which is what I found strangest....he wasnt shown asking her anything about her father or snooping around except when he was checking the mail from John....... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bellswebster	19. RE: Why I didn't like Jenny Shepard Dec 7 2009, 9:23 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 7 2009, 9:23 PM EST "Actually when I patient has a severe head injury yes it does. Almost no stimulation. I know what I am talking about Bells, I don't think that in this case, you actually do." You don't have to be there for stimulation Margy...just for support of a person you love or are worried about. They may not know you are there at first. All patients have a different way for recovery. I do know that sometimes they can hear peoples voices even though the visitors/doctors don't know it at the time. And quite frankly, sitting by someones bedside if they are going to make it or not wouldn't stop me from holding their hand and showing them my support with words whether they ever know it or not.. I do feel that Jenny Sheppard loved Gibbs, and as I have said before you don't have to be IN love with someone to love somethings about them. You have experienced a situation such as Gibbs had...I have too...didn't stop me from being there till the last moment. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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