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Mona92
Mona92
20. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:19 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:19 PM EST
"Maybe we will. Malachi Ben-Gidon isn't dead....so the writers can bring him back. After all, we got Damon Werth back. *grins*"
And we can see Ziva again as the Ninja-chick. LOL
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Probie007
Probie007
21. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:21 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:21 PM EST
"Maybe we will. Malachi Ben-Gidon isn't dead....so the writers can bring him back. After all, we got Damon Werth back. *grins*"
I am sure we will hear from Ben-Gidon again!
Damon Werth - a shame really if they just let him vanish again.....good looks help you know *wink*. Gibbs seemed warmed upto him and Ziva was on 1st name basis with him.......
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MargyW
MargyW
22. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:22 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:22 PM EST
"I am sure we will hear from Ben-Gidon again!
Damon Werth - a shame really if they just let him vanish again.....good looks help you know *wink*. Gibbs seemed warmed upto him and Ziva was on 1st name basis with him......."
Given the response to the return of Damon Werth, I don't think he will slip away into obscurity.
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Probie007
Probie007
23. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:26 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:26 PM EST
"And we can see Ziva again as the Ninja-chick. LOL"
I am all for Ziva to be the crazy-ninja-chick again :)
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Probie007
Probie007
24. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:27 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:27 PM EST
"Given the response to the return of Damon Werth, I don't think he will slip away into obscurity."
Fingers crossed :)
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Mona92
Mona92
25. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:29 PM EST
"Given the response to the return of Damon Werth, I don't think he will slip away into obscurity."
Yep, it were really nice to see Damon again. Wouldn’t it be hard for Tony to see him as a love interest for Ziva?
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HardKore71
HardKore71
26. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 18 2009, 10:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2009, 10:40 PM EST
"Yep, it were really nice to see Damon again. Wouldn’t it be hard for Tony to see him as a love interest for Ziva?"
not really. tony could always shoot him
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GothGirl0419
GothGirl0419
27. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 19 2009, 2:14 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2009, 2:14 AM EST
i'm SURE Gibbs would win... however I would not be surprised at an appearance from a gun pointing at Eli's head or heart.... possibly one pointed by his only known remaining child. Do you find this valuable?    
GothGirl0419
GothGirl0419
28. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 19 2009, 2:28 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2009, 2:28 AM EST
If u remember correctly, ziva called her father from the dock in somalia... once they had made landfall... his "loving' words to his daughter "finish the mission...at any cost" he was well aware of everything that had happened on the ship. the backup plan was to 'kill 'em all' and scuttle the ship if they were discovered. he knew and didn't care that his daughter would most likely be killed. remember this is a man who fathered ari only to the end that he be able to infiltrate hammas... he also made sure that there was a missle strike on the palestinian refugee camp where he was working with his mother. on a day when ari would be safely away visiting him. perhaps he lost his ability to truly care for the others in his life when talia was killed. Do you find this valuable?    
MargyW
MargyW
29. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 19 2009, 2:33 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2009, 2:33 PM EST
"If u remember correctly, ziva called her father from the dock in somalia... once they had made landfall... his "loving' words to his daughter "finish the mission...at any cost" he was well aware of everything that had happened on the ship. the backup plan was to 'kill 'em all' and scuttle the ship if they were discovered. he knew and didn't care that his daughter would most likely be killed. remember this is a man who fathered ari only to the end that he be able to infiltrate hammas... he also made sure that there was a missle strike on the palestinian refugee camp where he was working with his mother. on a day when ari would be safely away visiting him. perhaps he lost his ability to truly care for the others in his life when talia was killed."
You make a very good point there GothGirl.

I agree I think Eli David has reached a point where nothing matters to him except Israel. A man who could set out to deliberately impregnate a woman to create a child he could later use as a weapon, is probably about as nasty as they come.
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HardKore71
HardKore71
30. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 23 2009, 4:08 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2009, 4:09 AM EST
"You make a very good point there GothGirl.

I agree I think Eli David has reached a point where nothing matters to him except Israel. A man who could set out to deliberately impregnate a woman to create a child he could later use as a weapon, is probably about as nasty as they come."
Eli, is a character, one loves to hate.
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MargyW
MargyW
31. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 23 2009, 2:10 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2009, 2:10 PM EST
"Eli, is a character, one loves to hate. "
He is certainly much more unlikeable than Leon Vance. In Leon's favor is a balanced, loving home life.
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mellotto
32. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 24 2009, 7:01 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 24 2009, 7:01 AM EST
"I honestly don't think it will be a team confrontation. I think it will be simply man to man."
I am hoping you are right. My fear is that Ziva will find herself in the same situation she was in with Ari & will be forced to kill Eli in order to save the life of Gibbs or another team member. Even though she was right to shoot Ari under the circumstances, I'm sure she still carries some level of guilt concerning his death. They likely had some good times together in childhood & as adults before he went rogue. I hope she doesnt have to carry the death of her father on her conscience as well.
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dani_g
dani_g
33. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 25 2009, 12:53 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2009, 12:53 PM EST
I hope the writters will not make Eli bad JUST because Ziva must have a bad father-but I think they turned him right into that kind of person.People can be awful father without making their children suffer intentionally.They could have write him like a man with moral code,different than mine or yours,but not compulsory like a father,who doesn't care much for his children. Do you find this valuable?    

ncismetka
34. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Nov 25 2009, 3:42 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2009, 3:42 PM EST
I agree that Gibbs kind of repalces Ziva's father. Those two allways seem to take care of each other and many people (and so do I) think that they are very simmilar.
I think Ziva (in those past years, when she's with NCIS) didn't get much of "support and consolation" from her father side, so Gibbs IS a sort of his replacement.
Sometimes it just seems to me, that Ziva doesn't really have someone to talk to (or she doesn't want to) and Gibbs understands her situation.
But still, I think it would be nice if Ziva would reconcile with Eli.
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exlurker
35. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Dec 10 2009, 9:25 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2009, 9:25 AM EST
Personally, I always like it when there is a Mossad episode. I feel that there is more at stake than with the usual bad guys. Also, I think Michael Nouri is doing a terrific job in the role - and it is fun to watch. As a character, there is plenty more to develop. Vance needs to maintain a relationship with him as director of Mossad - perhaps shared information or actions in the future; Gibbs regards him as dirty but he thinks the same about Trent Kort & has learned to live with the need for these kind of unethical characters. As for Ziva, well there is a lot there. He raised her & the stuff everybody likes about her character - the ninja skills, the ability to sau "it is what it is" & live with things that would see most people hospitalised with PTSD, her loyalty to her country & NCIS - these are all the direct result of her upbringing with Eli & Mossad.
Eli is pragmatic - he accepted that he underestimated Tony in interview, and moved on to get what he could from Vance. Where he differs from Ziva is in his willingness to live with lies. She is usually straighforward. Even her occasionally tricky relationship with the truth - so that she will withhold information & answer exactly the question that you ask - is usually down to conflicting loyalties. She likes to know the truth of a given situation, to know where her loyalties are & to act accordingly. None of these qualities make for a good spy, although they do make for good law enforcement. Espionage seems to be a world where nobody is quite certain who is on who's side. This is probably the reason why Eli raised her to be a killer rather than a spy. I'd like to see him acknowledge that she is making the right decision & perhaps start pushing her for grandchildren (grin).
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HardKore71
HardKore71
36. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Dec 10 2009, 8:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2009, 8:57 PM EST
"Personally, I always like it when there is a Mossad episode. I feel that there is more at stake than with the usual bad guys. Also, I think Michael Nouri is doing a terrific job in the role - and it is fun to watch. As a character, there is plenty more to develop. Vance needs to maintain a relationship with him as director of Mossad - perhaps shared information or actions in the future; Gibbs regards him as dirty but he thinks the same about Trent Kort & has learned to live with the need for these kind of unethical characters. As for Ziva, well there is a lot there. He raised her & the stuff everybody likes about her character - the ninja skills, the ability to sau "it is what it is" & live with things that would see most people hospitalised with PTSD, her loyalty to her country & NCIS - these are all the direct result of her upbringing with Eli & Mossad.
Eli is pragmatic - he accepted that he underestimated Tony in interview, and moved on to get what he could from Vance. Where he differs from Ziva is in his willingness to live with lies. She is usually straighforward. Even her occasionally tricky relationship with the truth - so that she will withhold information & answer exactly the question that you ask - is usually down to conflicting loyalties. She likes to know the truth of a given situation, to know where her loyalties are & to act accordingly. None of these qualities make for a good spy, although they do make for good law enforcement. Espionage seems to be a world where nobody is quite certain who is on who's side. This is probably the reason why Eli raised her to be a killer rather than a spy. I'd like to see him acknowledge that she is making the right decision & perhaps start pushing her for grandchildren (grin)."
Trent Kort is a spook, and we all know how Gibbs feels about spooks. That being said, Gibbs knows how spooks operate and probably accepts that they are a necessary "evil" to some degree; but the way Eli operates and treats his own family goes way beyond the line.
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exlurker
37. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Dec 11 2009, 9:30 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2009, 9:30 AM EST
True about Trenk Kort being a spook - but so is Eli. Good point about the way Eli treats his family though. I look forward to Gibbs calling him on that, but I still hope he does so in a way that Eli does not end up dead so that there can be recurring episodes featuring Mossad. Do you find this valuable?    

Kiamari
38. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Dec 13 2009, 8:48 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 8:48 AM EST
Personally, I like Eli David's character. That being said, I'm not unaware that he's a complete and utter a**.

Actually, I like him BECAUSE OF, rather than despite of, his character. Here is a man who puts his country (or agenda, depending on what the situation is) ahead of everyone and everything else. He's the personification of the 'evil' that everyone has the potential to be; looks out for No.1 and gets the job done, 'at any cost'. While everyone else around him gets their feelings tangled in with their work and make blunders that end up getting people killed, he is able to keep his head and try to make the situation work to his advantage.

He found out that his son was a traitor -- so he sent his daughter out to kill him.
He then used his son's death as leverage and put Ziva in with Gibbs, hoping to further cement the trust that Gibbs had placed in her.
One can only imagine what he had planned. Was it simply to further cement the positive relationship between the two agencies, or was it to spy on them? (If this has actually been addressed, I can't think of it. It's almost 1am and I'm about to go to bed.)

We all love Gibbs, but sometimes you really gotta love a good villain. He's not like the typical one-or-two episode villain that we see; the murderers that they catch and chuck in the brig. He's just as bad as any of them, but he's untouchable; the head of a foreign agency that already has tenuous relations with NCIS -- which makes for great tension when all the key players are on screen.

I can't wait to get to watch Leon play "NCIS"s shapeshifter.

And really, Anti-Gibbs is so much more fun to watch when he's angry.
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Nemisses
Nemisses
39. RE: Gibbs and Eli David
Dec 13 2009, 9:57 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 9:57 AM EST
"Personally, I like Eli David's character. That being said, I'm not unaware that he's a complete and utter a**.

Actually, I like him BECAUSE OF, rather than despite of, his character. Here is a man who puts his country (or agenda, depending on what the situation is) ahead of everyone and everything else......

"
In that lies his strenght and his weakness. Eli once said he would love for Ziva's childeren to grow up as doctors, lawyers and more but what has he got so show for himself now....absolutly nothing. He has always put his country first but has lost what means the most his family....by his own actions and that includes the loss of Ziva. He has got nothing else left but his country and wasn't his family the first and foremost reason for him to act the way that he does, fight for the safty of your family by keeping your country safe. I think Eli has lost sight of what is really important...family.

But I agree with you he is definiatly not one dimensional....he has many layers the more you see the more you don't understand about him, and if we don't understand him how can he (or we) expect Ziva to understand his actions. But I love a good multi layered villian.
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