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MargyW
MargyW
Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Oct 1 2009, 4:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 1 2009, 4:35 PM EDT
My blog entry for today:

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Thanks to everyone who took part in the first blog's discussions.
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raysnill
1. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Oct 5 2009, 5:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2009, 5:19 PM EDT
when you really think about her, Kate was irritating. it's one thing to be a strong confident woman but Kate was a little too headstrong, and with no real good reason. If I worked with someone like her I could see myself trying to make her miserable, lol. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

ncisnerd
2. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Oct 7 2009, 9:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:14 PM EDT
i agree with yuo she was irritating she was too stupid too see tony liked her. she was mean to him until he had neumonic plague 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
HardKore71
HardKore71
3. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Oct 11 2009, 11:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2009, 11:25 PM EDT
wow Margy! Aren't you a little harsh on our little Katie? As DiNozzo used to call her, there was no shame in being disarmed and tied up by a combat seasoned Navy SEAL in "Unsealed", and If I was Kate I don't know if I would have tried with that scalpel on Ari, especially when he was wearing a flak jacket. In "Meat Puzzle", Kate was all by herself and she got distracted by Ducky's mum, enabling the bad guy to abduct Ducky. As for sleeping with the football holder, she shouldn't have dated anyone on the security detail, I can empathize from personal experience. I guess the old adage(spelling?) applies, don't crap where you eat. Do you find this valuable?    
dani_g
dani_g
4. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Oct 17 2009, 1:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 1:39 PM EDT
Believe me, ncisnerd, Kate knew about Tony's feelings - but she wasn't going to make the move-both because of her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/.and the fact she wanted commitment,and lets face it-Tony wasn't ready for that in S2-even Tony understood that and said "she is too smart" to fall for him in S2 final.Kate made a mistake to fall for a collegue once , and I don't think she would make it again.

Partly I agree with you,MargyW.My big problem with Kate was in S2-Kate starts as the cool and smart ex secret service agent and then they transform her to a fool by let's - making - her - more - mistakes - than - anyone - else - at - the -team and restrict her acting of the bickering with DiNozzo...In YW and almost in all S1 she was confident of herself, even stood up to Gibbs,but after that ...In S2 she had her moments as profiler, as a detective working a crime scene she just wasn't Kate from S1.And instead of standing up at least to Tony she went into an adolescent rivalry with him that was just pathetic in my opinion-in S1 she dealed with him wy better.. It's not like I did't loved her-I liked her teasing with Tony very much,but in S2 she is ...well... different.
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rmf919
rmf919
5. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Jul 8 2010, 3:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 8 2010, 3:42 AM EDT
Late reply, but I liked Kate. Granted, she had her glaring weaknesses (as does Ziva) such as being too trustworthy and being bad at target practice. But I think she gets too much flak, namely during her first scene with Ari, where she failed to stab him with the scalpel, which, as I'm sure has been stated before -- it wouldn't have done much anyway considering he was wearing a vest. What was kind of dumb was how it was written off as her mistake in a later episode.. But some of Kate's greatest strengths include being a strong, confident, vibrant character; not only that but the chemistry between her and Dinozzo was undeniable, which gave the show a good balance of drama and comedy, unlike what you see in any other police procedural. Seasons 1 & 2 had an odd charm to them. (From what I've watched so far), I don't know if I can say that about seasons 3 - present. I also would have liked to see Kate further evolve as a character, seeing as it is a very character based show but that's not going to happen. Heh. Do you find this valuable?    
HardKore71
HardKore71
6. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Jul 8 2010, 6:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 8 2010, 6:56 AM EDT
Kate had no chance against Ari with that scalpel, he was just goading her to try it. And of course she was going to make a lot of newbie mistakes, Kate was on protection detail with the Secret Service, she wasn't a trained criminal investigator so of course there is going to be a learning curve.
As for Unsealed and the Meat Puzzle, she had to watch more than one person in both episodes; while being distracted both times allowing for the villian to move in. Even Gibbs said it was his fault he should have assigned an additional agent for each principle target.
It was far worse situation in Jet Lag, when both DiNozzo and Ziva blew their protection detail watching one person on a plane.
Kate Todd was portrayed as a smart tough modern woman and special agent that was a far more believable character and not some character coming out from a comic book. Yes she could be too trusting at times, but I blame that on the writers, it seemed to me that they dumbed her down in Season 2.
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gottahavemyncis
gottahavemyncis
7. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Jul 8 2010, 5:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 8 2010, 5:13 PM EDT
"Kate had no chance against Ari with that scalpel, he was just goading her to try it. And of course she was going to make a lot of newbie mistakes, Kate was on protection detail with the Secret Service, she wasn't a trained criminal investigator so of course there is going to be a learning curve.
As for Unsealed and the Meat Puzzle, she had to watch more than one person in both episodes; while being distracted both times allowing for the villian to move in. Even Gibbs said it was his fault he should have assigned an additional agent for each principle target.
It was far worse situation in Jet Lag, when both DiNozzo and Ziva blew their protection detail watching one person on a plane.
Kate Todd was portrayed as a smart tough modern woman and special agent that was a far more believable character and not some character coming out from a comic book. Yes she could be too trusting at times, but I blame that on the writers, it seemed to me that they dumbed her down in Season 2."
Yep,no chance with that scalpel, she or Gerald or Ducky might have been killed, not shot for major damage & pain, but dead (plus it wasn't in the script). I liked Kate ok, I did not like the whiny vibe & the constant bickering with Tony. Not saying there wasn't a reason, in real life Tony could have been fired for a couple things he pulled on her, but it was the whining/nasty bickering I didn't care for...seems like she always came off looking worse than DiNizzo - and that irritated me! In re-watching Kate's episodes, I've picked up a Gibbs-Todd flirtation of sorts - definitely not the same sort of relationship Gibbs has with the S3forward team. It was kind of cute but not anything I could see going anywhere. Yes, she was more true to life I guess, but there were times I wondered if she knew what she was doing.
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mcseek
mcseek
8. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Jul 8 2010, 6:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 8 2010, 6:09 PM EDT
Thanks Margy for your compliment - I hadn't read this post until now - saw the recent traffic! :) Do you find this valuable?    
rmf919
rmf919
9. RE: Kate Todd - Believability - Revisited
Jul 9 2010, 2:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 9 2010, 2:29 PM EDT
Whiny vibe? I didn't get that from Kate. And I honestly didn't mind the 'bickering' (as you put it, though I disagree with that term). Tony & Kate's relationship was more of a brother/sister thing and after having watched the first 3 seasons and pieces of 4, I still feel that Kate gave the show a more 'ensemble' like vibe whereas I think with Ziva on the show, everyone seems to be a bit more distant and that's one of the biggest reason why I liked Kate. And well put, HardKore, I whole-heartedly agree with your sentiments about Kate (though I haven't watched Jet Lag yet). Do you find this valuable?    

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