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Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 8:31 PM EDT
Do YOU believe Tony and Ziva will "hook up"? Do you THINK they will "hook up"?Will it be good for the show? ...or bad? Personally, I have very, very mixed feelings on this subject! I LOVE Tony and Ziva...BUT I can still remember Ziva putting a gun to Tony's chest and wishing Tony had died instead of Michael. SO...can Tony forgive Ziva and can Ziva forgive Tony? And will they be able to trust each other? What about the no dating policy IF they date will Gibbs find out and fire or transfer either Tony or Ziva? Couldthis be leading up to Tony or Ziva going to NCIS LA? And will the plot of the 'romance' be believable for us fans? (That concerns me We ALL have seen many shows where a romance developed and it just ruined the show...I do not wish to see this happen on NCIS! Sorry... I just have a lot of concerns about the TIVA issue! 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?
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1. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 9:00 PM EDT
I don't that either side of this very hot debate will get exactly what the other wants. In this weeks TV Guide the executive producer said that with topic it seems to be 50/50 with the audience who wants and doesn't want it.Then a few sentences later states that by the end of the season the vast majority of the viewers will be satisfied with Tony and Ziva's relationship, which means that is must be a compromise somewhere in the middle. I personally do NOT want any kind of TIVA going on. 6 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 9:03 PM EDT
I see them as great friends and partners and that he is someone that if she allowed herself to he could really be there for her and wouldn't think less of her for showing that she doesn't have to be Superwoman all of the time.
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3. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 9:26 PM EDT
Name me some shows that failed because of a romance that weren't on the way out to begin with???I think it's time for Tony & Ziva to be linked romantically. You can't leave the characters to stagnate and with Tony & Zivas chemistry it would be a crime not to use it. 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 9:28 PM EDT
IF there is a TIVA ...I hope it does not ruin the show. Being my main concern. I like Tony as the playboy and Ziva as she is but I agree it would be nice to see Ziva get a little closer to someone as friends. But could Ziva be after Tony because of Michael? Couls Ziva be blaming Tony for 'all her current woes"? Can we trust Ziva? She could be after Gibbs because of her brother Ari..working for her dad the entire time...? Also the director..what isthe deal with him? I remember him shredding papers after Jenny died? I BELIEVE that the end of this season (7) will also bring the loss (death)of a fan favorite due to Ziva or the director...but WHOM will it be?
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5. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 10:30 PM EDT
It is my personal preference that's all. I have never seen them as even moving toward a romantic connection, period.Yes, they sort of flirt but that is a tool that Ziva has learned to master to get what she wants whether it's from co-workers, suspects or other agents. She even said that she has had sex with suspects in order to interrogate them by gaining their trust. She has learned to shut off her emotions and do whatever is necessary to complete the mission no matter what the cost to herself. So a lot of the flirting and other innuendos are stemming from that on her part. I think she does love him the way that she does the rest of her team that has become her only true family but not in love with him. The love and trust that partners have is unique on it's own and hard to explain to other people not in that line of work. She has never had a real, honest relationship with a man so I hope the writers give her that just not with Tony. 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 12 2009, 11:05 PM EDT
Didn't Gibbs also say that he has used sex to get information. Didn't Tony sleep with Jeanne when he was playing her? Tony screwed up by falling in love with Jeanne.Sorry but I think Tony & Ziva are two kindred souls who have fallen in love and it's about time that somebody breaks that old taboo that for two characters to fall in love is the death of the show. Ziva is finally getting in touch with her feelings and her feelings for Tony are far and above her feelings for the rest of the team. I really like Zivas complex character, and some refuse to see that she is a warm,caring woman as shown in Tribes, Dead man walking, Hiatus pt2, & Dagger, for a few. I don't understand your statement that she flirts to get what she wants from co-workers, suspects & other agents. Other than Tony who on the team does she flirt with ? I haven't seen her use flirting on any suspect during the process of interrogating them. As Michael Weatherly said in an interview ,Ziva understands Tony better than anyone else. 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 12:26 AM EDT
I didn't say that she flirts with everyone or any other team member and yes Gibbs has said that he also did have sex as an interrogation tool. I also never said anything about it being the death of the show either. It's just that when she does those things it isn't necessarily because she wants them in that actual way.She plays nice with some suspects the way Gibbs does and he has told her to work on relating to each suspect even if you don't way to because you think they are guilty as sin. Plus she has referred to in the past of sleeping with them to get information so wouldn't she have had to flirt with those suspects first? What I am saying is that just because she flirts and begins to open up to him doesn't equate being in love with him, in my opinion. She can have feelings for him but not in a I want to spend my life with you and in your bed. There is a unique difference between partners love and in love with or as lovers. She is a caring person and those feelings have been brought to the surface because of Gibbs and the rest of the team. She and Tony do have a complex relationship but I don't think that automatically means it has to turn into 'I love you' sexual one. I know there is a multilevel love for a team like these guys. Tony and Ziva throughout cases have been thrown together more as partners than the rest of the team. In some ways McGee is kind of left out in the cold and I think it would be great to add a team member and have him have more of an actual partner. She can know Tony better than Tony knows himself and again it doesn't have to mean it is in a star crossed lovers way. That is something that any partners in real life(or fictional ones)can tell you, they know each other inside and out, there strengths and weakness, etc. Does that mean every partner in every show or in real life is secretly in love with each other? 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 12:39 AM EDT
Flirting is also her way of making a man uncomfortable or intimating him. In several early episodes that was more evident, like when she wanted him to say he was driving when she purposefully rammed the embassy car. She wasn't even trying to hide the fact that she was up against him acting like she would give him anything he wanted if he would lie for her.With Tony she trusts him more than she has trusted any other man or woman and that makes her feel weak, one of the reasons she was so angry, more at herself than him because he tried to warn her about Michael. Plus Michael Weatherly has said that he doesn't really want them to be together like that, and Cote de Pablo does, so even the cast isn't sure how they would prefer it to play out! LOL My hope is that she allows Tony and the others to be her rock to get her through this situation both by being rescued(or better yet she rescues herself)and the aftermath. She deserves the chance to confront her father and finally tell him to shove it. So hopefully in my personal opinion she allows him to be the kind of friend and confidant that will be there for her whether it's to laugh, cry or kick ass with a case. This is just my opinion and everyone including you has a right to your own, that's why this wonderful site is so entertaining. Here's to season 7! 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 6:04 AM EDT
I think it will be good actually i like ziva and tony together BUT I think it will be much better if they just continue the flirting thing much longer although maybe if they want NCIS to be a happy ending they can make ziva and tony go out................... cuz' honestly I dont think gibbs would really mind because he dated jenny once that's why he shouldnt really mind SO GO TIVA! 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 9:52 AM EDT
And if you remember in the same interview , Cote de Pablo said that , Ziva knows , there's something more and vulnerable under Tony's cover , and for that reason she falls in love ... Maybe Ziva loves Tony more than he does . I don't know , but I'd like another woman for Tony . Someone more sweet and feminine and less tough and fickle , in her behaviour and feelings . He can't stay with a woman who threaten to kill him !
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11. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 1:54 PM EDT
I keep waiting for someone to give me a legitimate reason why having 2 characters in a relationship is going to destroy a series. The only example that anyone can come up with is Moonlighting and that was around 25 yrs. ago. I don't see where a realistic relationship between two adults and kept in the background , not the main focus of the series is going to be a negative choice.
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12. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 2:07 PM EDT
I'd say...a very tentative GOOD. I'm a fan of these two. I love the chemistry they have, but yes I do see how easily that could ruin the rest of the show. However, these are talented writers and people, so they could pull it off. But yeah. hooking up with Tony after all that' s happen to Ziva isn't too realistic.
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13. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 2:17 PM EDT
"It is my personal preference that's all. I have never seen them as even moving toward a romantic connection, period.VERY VERY well said...yet another list of reasons ...I am 50/50on the TIVA issue but lean more towards NO TIVA Hookup....I agree that it seems she lives him as a brother kind of way the only romance I have seen is from the last 2 episodes (season 6) andthose were clouded by Michael's death, Tony suspecting Ziva, Ziva not trusting Tony and blaming him for Michael...In a way It upset me that Ziva just really did not care if Tony lived or died...(HOW IS that LOVE) in saying she had wished Tony had died instead....In REAL life..this would not be clear indications of someone falling in love....(many will find the TONY ZIVA relationship confusing to them) AS long as it does not mess up NCIS...hat is all that matters....I worry that IF NCIS LA is to take the place of NCIS and NCIS may be headed for its final few remaning seasons...????? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 2:19 PM EDT
"Didn't Gibbs also say that he has used sex to get information. Didn't Tony sleep with Jeanne when he was playing her? Tony screwed up by falling in love with Jeanne.This statement is also a GREAT point..Tony did say that.... Over analysis makes this old lady batty!! (RE: Myself) I tend to over think everything.. Should go with my GUT...lol A 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 2:24 PM EDT
"I keep waiting for someone to give me a legitimate reason why having 2 characters in a relationship is going to destroy a series. The only example that anyone can come up with is Moonlighting and that was around 25 yrs. ago. I don't see where a realistic relationship between two adults and kept in the background , not the main focus of the series is going to be a negative choice. "EVERYONE has some FANTASTIC arguments and rebuttals...WOW.. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 6:37 PM EDT
"Do YOU believe Tony and Ziva will "hook up"? Do you THINK they will "hook up"?First of all if they hook up, you might as well say goodbye to the show. Ziva I never liked her. I liked agent Todd better. They had better chemestry. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 10:52 PM EDT
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"I keep waiting for someone to give me a legitimate reason why having 2 characters in a relationship is going to destroy a series. The only example that anyone can come up with is Moonlighting and that was around 25 yrs. ago ..."Your "Moonlighting" example is perfect. Once Dave and Maddie got together, the show 'jumped the shark.' (That phrase refers to "Happy Days" when Fonzie jumped a shark tank on skies while wearing his leather jacket. That was the beginning of the end for that show because it was so far-reaching. Another "jump the shark" example is when Cousin Oliver was brought into the mix on "The Brady Bunch" -- but I digress.) "Who's the Boss?" worked best when Tony and Angela were sparring. The sexual tension (and Mona's deadpan comments) were the best parts of that show. "Cheers" was blessed with extremely gifted writers who were able to make the whole Sam and Diane drama work because they kept it on again, off again, until she left him. Rebecca came in and somehow the writers were able to bring the show back (almost). On "JAG," Harm and Mac finally got together at the end of the series, and yet they still ended the last show on a coin toss, and we never did find out if they went to San Diego for Mac to continue her career or to London for Harm to continue his career ... very well done! "NCIS" is also thankfully blessed with extremely talented writers who just may be able to pull off a TIVA relationship. The odds of it working are 50-50 at best so if they 'go there,' we can only hope that it is a plausible story arc. If it works, great! If it doesn't, that would be a very bad thing, because then the show *might* jump the shark and we would all be very sad. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 13 2009, 11:26 PM EDT
That is a legitimate fear for some viewers and although I also agree that the writers are extremely talented too. For me it isn't that I think it would necessarily ruin the show as much as I just don't see them in that context at all.In either case the article in this weeks TV GUIDE the executive producer acknowledge that the fans are split about 50/50 over it and that by the end of the season the 'mass majority ' the audience will be 'satisfied' with how their relationship plays out. So that means there has to be some kind of middle ground with it. I just think too many times partnerships between a man and a woman turns out to be sexual or romantic and that isn't realistic in the real world or most fictional pairing at all. There is a deep love that can exist without being in love with someone. I love the idea of exploring the other aspects of their relationship with each other and the rest of the team as well. Ziva deserves some peace and love from a family that Daddy dearest never gave her. I loved how they ended 'JAG' by the way. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Tony & Ziva: The Hookup; Will it be Good or Bad for NCIS?
Sep 14 2009, 4:38 AM EDT
Michael has said he doesnt really want it to be a hook up in any particular way...I'm glad...once you put two people together like that permanently more and expected things happen...then things end because it becomes a couple thing and not a tv show as it is.
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