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MargyW
MargyW
20. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 10:26 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 10:26 PM EST
"Yeah I seriously think Gibbs put it all together and realized it was Lee.... next week is supposed to be a follow-up on that!"
This show only gets better each week.
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Madchild
Madchild
21. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 10:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 10:32 PM EST
Gibbs was definitely suspicious of Lee, and she looked totally scared. I'm thinking she's more scared of gibbs than she is the director...i would be too.

It was also interesting how Gibbs equated himself to Tony and Vace to McGee, and I have to say that on some level I agree---Maybe Vance used to be like McGee, until he figured out how to make people respect him more...and use the fact that people underestimate him to his advantage. However, Vance tends to go behind people's back, and I don't really see McGee doing that.

That being said, I still don't know what to think of Vance, I want to distrust him...but for some reason I can't..
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Madchild
Madchild
22. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 10:34 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 10:34 PM EST
Also wanted to add that I loved how Gibbs put up Langer's picture up on the wall of agents who had fallen in the line of duty at the end....it was like his own confimation that Langer was innocent and his suspicion of Lee. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MargyW
MargyW
23. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 10:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 10:38 PM EST
"Gibbs was definitely suspicious of Lee, and she looked totally scared. I'm thinking she's more scared of gibbs than she is the director...i would be too.

It was also interesting how Gibbs equated himself to Tony and Vace to McGee, and I have to say that on some level I agree---Maybe Vance used to be like McGee, until he figured out how to make people respect him more...and use the fact that people underestimate him to his advantage. However, Vance tends to go behind people's back, and I don't really see McGee doing that.

That being said, I still don't know what to think of Vance, I want to distrust him...but for some reason I can't.."
Vance is a computer geek like McGee (remember Judgement Day?)... I'm guessing that's behind the comparison.
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Madchild
Madchild
24. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 10:49 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 10:49 PM EST
"Vance is a computer geek like McGee (remember Judgement Day?)... I'm guessing that's behind the comparison."
I know, but I thought that it was interesting that Gibbs made the comparison in the first place....there have been many episodes that have made it clear that McGee and Vance are both geeks. The line where gibbs told vance that Wilson was more like him than Vance was powerful enough...
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betterbuddy
betterbuddy
25. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 11:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 11:07 PM EST
"It was also interesting how Gibbs equated himself to Tony and Vace to McGee, and I have to say that on some level I agree---Maybe Vance used to be like McGee, until he figured out how to make people respect him more...and use the fact that people underestimate him to his advantage. However, Vance tends to go behind people's back, and I don't really see McGee doing that.

That being said, I still don't know what to think of Vance, I want to distrust him...but for some reason I can't.."
Oh are you right about Vance. He is very smart and almost manipulative. I found the conversations between Vance and Gibbs fascinating. I got the impression that Vance has no problem picking an agent that is strong academically (desk agent), but he needed Gibbs to identify someone with street smarts/investigator skills--a good field agent.

Vance seemed to know that Gibbs was doubting his gut after Langer, but it was like Vance was pressuring Gibbs to trust his gut again. (with the case itself and identifying assessing an agent)

I really don't know what to make of Vance, but I don't think he is dirty or anything like that. Although this has never been proven/confirmed, I still believe that he made Tony an agent afloat to build his confidence, too, after the director's death.
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Scarecrow4
Scarecrow4
26. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 11:28 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 11:28 PM EST
" I still believe that he made Tony an agent afloat to build his confidence, too, after the director's death. "
It could be that he wanted Tony to learn to be on his own and not have Gibbs to fall back on...Something like that I could see...Im with those who think Vance is not a bad guy...I think he has his skeletons (shredded letter) but I dont think it will be anything that will get rid of him this season or anytime after that...I think he will be around for quite a while...
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MargyW
MargyW
27. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 11 2008, 11:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 11:32 PM EST
"It could be that he wanted Tony to learn to be on his own and not have Gibbs to fall back on...Something like that I could see...Im with those who think Vance is not a bad guy...I think he has his skeletons (shredded letter) but I dont think it will be anything that will get rid of him this season or anytime after that...I think he will be around for quite a while..."
I'm hoping that's so. It's been a long time since I warmed to a character as quickly as I've warmed to Vance.
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hotchgirl
hotchgirl
28. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 8:17 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 8:17 AM EST
Thank you Scarecrow for that excellent summery. I agree mostly with what's been said here, I'm still not quite sure of Vances motives & skeletons. I think also that Gibbs wasn't trusting his reliable 'gut' because of the Langer incident. Maybe you're right in it's Vance's way to get Gibbs to rely on his 'gut'. At the end of the episode when Gibbs put Langer's ID card with all the fallen heroes [Paula included] Also the way Gibbs is looking at Lee I think he now knows it's Lee that's the mole as his 'gut' is telling him.I'm looking forward to next week to see Lee outed out. Do you find this valuable?    
LadyMurder
LadyMurder
29. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 9:38 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:38 AM EST
"i know! the preview for next week looked AWESOME! and arresting Abby?????? I am counting the days til next week!

and...i liked the tie-in to today being veterans' day and the "in the line of duty" wall in the bar at the end of today's. very cool, ncis writers!"
oh no they didn't arrest my Abbs!!?? Grrrr.. my poor Abby! Cant wait for next week either..who will run the Lab? Who will get Abby off?
This episode was great as far as cliff hangers...you no Gibb's knows it Lee..and she knows he knows ...it was heartbreaking ..to see Gibb's put Langer's ID card on the wall of Honor...I have been bothered by Langer's death since it happened ...I think of his family thinking he died a traitors death..when in reality he died a hero's death...as far as Vance goes ..I think he is dirty ..he plays games...and how do we know he isn't the one texting Lee?..well that's just my gibblets sensor going off...I just have a feeling Vance wants Gibbs out... excellent Episode for intrigue ....

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NCISlover161
NCISlover161
30. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 12:14 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 12:14 PM EST
that was a great episode!!! I can't wait for next week!!! Do you find this valuable?    

mewofford
31. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:21 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:21 PM EST
"So...were there any Tiva moments? (I think it's sad that I ask that, but yeah.)"
Nary a sign of a TIVA moment. But next week's episode looks much more promising for TIVAness of one sort or another.
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DragonFaith
32. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:38 PM EST
I loved it - there was something about Gibbs that reminded me of him prior to Season 5; no doubt Margy will be able to tell me what it was. I don't know why but I liked this one best so far, even more so than Heartland and I thought that would be the best one of the season. Do you find this valuable?    
MargyW
MargyW
33. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:44 PM EST
"I loved it - there was something about Gibbs that reminded me of him prior to Season 5; no doubt Margy will be able to tell me what it was. I don't know why but I liked this one best so far, even more so than Heartland and I thought that would be the best one of the season."
I'll let you know next week. But I am guessing it was the sense of insecurity like he displayed after Kate was killed by Ari?
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GOYANKSGONJ
GOYANKSGONJ
34. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:46 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:46 PM EST
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think1959
think1959
35. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:57 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:57 PM EST
I have just got caught up on what is going on here and on other sites about last nights story.
I liked it it touched on several thing and had me going hummm on others. Like the probie agent Dwayne. The story he told Tony about his reason for joing NCIS has me wondering if the agent he talked about could be MIke Franks. At first I thought he was describing Gibbs then he said he was during the Vitenam war Gibbs would have still been in the Marines at that point.
Has me wondering if we might see Dwayne again with a story line linked to Mike. Anyway just my two cents worth.
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MargyW
MargyW
36. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 3:59 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 3:59 PM EST
"I have just got caught up on what is going on here and on other sites about last nights story.
I liked it it touched on several thing and had me going hummm on others. Like the probie agent Dwayne. The story he told Tony about his reason for joing NCIS has me wondering if the agent he talked about could be MIke Franks. At first I thought he was describing Gibbs then he said he was during the Vitenam war Gibbs would have still been in the Marines at that point.
Has me wondering if we might see Dwayne again with a story line linked to Mike. Anyway just my two cents worth."
Mmmmm. I do like that idea. It has real possibilities.
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DragonFaith
37. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 4:06 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 4:06 PM EST
"I'll let you know next week. But I am guessing it was the sense of insecurity like he displayed after Kate was killed by Ari?"
Honestly don't know Margy, i don't think it was the insecurity thing although it was there. I just felt his humour was more familiar to me than it has been in quite a while. Hmm, humour isn't the right word....you remember the smile (that very nearly wasn't) at Abby in the don't call me Sir/ yes Ma'am scene? Well I got that sort of feeling again at a couple of points. Then there was the bit when he said it's not a robbery; It just felt like Gibbs prior to season 5 was back although I really can't say what the difference is. Can't explain it but some part of Gibbs seemed to change in season 5 (for me at least although I can't identify what changed) and then it felt as though it was working back to what it should be like in this episode. Hard to tie down and I'm doing a terrible job at explaining what I mean so I'm just going to stop now and wait and see what you think.
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MargyW
MargyW
38. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 4:08 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 4:08 PM EST
"Honestly don't know Margy, i don't think it was the insecurity thing although it was there. I just felt his humour was more familiar to me than it has been in quite a while. Hmm, humour isn't the right word....you remember the smile (that very nearly wasn't) at Abby in the don't call me Sir/ yes Ma'am scene? Well I got that sort of feeling again at a couple of points. Then there was the bit when he said it's not a robbery; It just felt like Gibbs prior to season 5 was back although I really can't say what the difference is. Can't explain it but some part of Gibbs seemed to change in season 5 (for me at least although I can't identify what changed) and then it felt as though it was working back to what it should be like in this episode. Hard to tie down and I'm doing a terrible job at explaining what I mean so I'm just going to stop now and wait and see what you think. "
I'll let you know after I see the episode next week. You've got me intrigued.
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think1959
think1959
39. RE: Discuss Episode 6.07 Collateral Damage here
Nov 12 2008, 4:11 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 4:11 PM EST
"Honestly don't know Margy, i don't think it was the insecurity thing although it was there. I just felt his humour was more familiar to me than it has been in quite a while. Hmm, humour isn't the right word....you remember the smile (that very nearly wasn't) at Abby in the don't call me Sir/ yes Ma'am scene? Well I got that sort of feeling again at a couple of points. Then there was the bit when he said it's not a robbery; It just felt like Gibbs prior to season 5 was back although I really can't say what the difference is. Can't explain it but some part of Gibbs seemed to change in season 5 (for me at least although I can't identify what changed) and then it felt as though it was working back to what it should be like in this episode. Hard to tie down and I'm doing a terrible job at explaining what I mean so I'm just going to stop now and wait and see what you think. "
Could it be Gibbs seemed to be more of a teacher this time out and not so impaitent?
That was kinda my take.
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