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NCIS & WETPAINT 500 RANKING

20th August

Today, like every Thursday I update our position on the Wetpaint 500 Ranking along with that of the satellite Wikis, although at present only the Mark Harmon Wiki has sustained its presence the ranking, the Michael Weatherly one managed 2 or 3 weeks; and to date the others have yet to make it.

When I go through this ranking, I generally through a tantrum or at least have for the last 6 months or so since we dropped out of the top 20. Last year we managed to hold positions behind CSI for several weeks and then steadily dropped; so has CSI and its subsidiaries if it's any consolation. However, what really gets my goat, is that except for 3 wikis above us (we're at 53 this week), I haven't the foggiest who the rest are!!! Above us we have Mark Harmon wiki at 36, which is a qualitative jump of 8 places from last week, Miley Cyrus (the Hannah Montana kid) - heard of her from my 7 year old niece, and Terminator. AS for the rest, they're all Warrior Cats or Cats something or other, along with other series/programmes or whatever, that are completely foreign. OK, I know I live in the Spanish State so maybe some of these things are not here, although there are a lot of other series below these Cats, which I have. But what I'd like to know is, what the hell have these wikis got that we haven't; I mean we have loads of pages - several brand new ones this week! - we also have loads of threads, which are in constant movement. I think our photo gallery is second to none as a regards a series, the artwork on here is brilliant. So why aren't we higher up? I mean we one the Golden Paint Can award this year again.

I admit there's very little movement on the satellite wikis except for the Mark Harmon one, which MargyW propels along at like 500 knots an hour - LOL However, the others are picking up, particularly the Michael Weatherly one, in terms of membership we're catching up with the Mark Harmon one. And if only for constancy and the fact they're inter-related I think all the satellite wikis deserve to be in the ranking albeit between positions 400 and 500.

For next week, as a birthday present (update falls on my birthday!), I would like to see this wiki move up say 20 places minimum and have the Warrior Cats, etc., drop, Mark Harmon wiki excluded of course. Otherwise, I think I'm going to throw a tantrum, pout, sulk, whine, whatever so that Wetpaint takes notice of us, please - and I'm asking nicely, not to mention prettily, modesty apart, please be nice to this wiki and all its members; and nudge us upwards.

I think you'll all agree I've asked very politely, not at all pushy for us to rise in rankings; of course, I do realise you're all going to have to help out too, and produce pages, post comments on threads, create artwork; and generally make a lot of noise on here to get us moved upwards, and the satellite wikis awaiting inclusion in the ranking to be included.

Why? Well, to quote the slogan of certain hair&beauty brand: BECAUSE WE DESERVE IT .....

LAST UPDATE ON 20th August 2009 9:15 PM - CET
SUBMITTED BY Sorgiña

FAVORITE RECURRING CHARACTERS - REVISITED

19th August 2009

Unfortunately, I didn't get as much feedback on this as I would have liked. Thank you however, to those who did respond. Please be aware that I will only take direct feedback from threads off the blog pages or from PMs. I don't troll the threads looking for comments on the subject.

Most of those who gave me feedback agreed with my choices, with Tobias Fornell coming out the clear favorite amongst the recurring characters. The rapport between Fornell and Gibbs being what gave Fornell the edge over the opposition:

Gibbs: Get Fornell in here. Tell him he's about to make the second biggest mistake of his life.
Fornell: My second biggest mistake, Jethro? That's very dramatic. What was my first?
Gibbs: When you married my second wife.
Fornell: You should have warned me!
Gibbs: I did!

The Ted Bundy scene in "Smoked" was probably the most remarked on.

A character I didn't include that also is a favorite was Michelle Lee. Her attempts to fit into the team in season 4. She was the square peg that just could not be fitted into the round hole. Then her return in season 6, this time as a mole and a traitor, who dies at the reluctant hand of Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

NCIS has had some truly memorable recurring characters. Season 6 saw the introduction of Jules, and also FBI Director Barry Hutchins, both of which are to be recurring roles. Mike Franks will return in season 7 (this has been confirmed by Muse Watson), and hopefully we will see more of Tobias Fornell and Trent Kort as well.

LAST UPDATE ON 20th August 2009, 6.24AM Australian Time
SUBMITTED BY MargyW

NCIS - A FAMILY OR NOT A FAMILY???

19th August

Following MargyW's lead, re. Gibbs as the father figure. I agree for a lot of people he is a father figure although a very old-fashioned one, in the same way that Tony is very much the old-fashioned elder brother. Why do I say old-fashioned? Well, they've both got an eye for the ladies and play the field, Gibbs a little less, and age has obviously taught him not to go around bragging as much as Tony still does, which is probably more talk than truth. However, when it comes to Abby or even Ziva and previously with Kate, they were both pretty concerned about who the men the girls saw - Tony more openly than Gibbs, yet they're both pretty old-fashioned when it comes to the kind of men they would see their "girls" with, an attitude that would cause no amount of problems if said "girls" were teenagers. No doubt had Gibbs' daughter Kelly lived he'd have been pretty stubborn about the kind of men she dated.

Tony is very much Gibbs' son both in his behaviour and that of Gibbs'. We see that despite Tony's goofing around, he constantly seeks Gibbs' attention and above all approval. We also see the way Tony treasures the medals Gibbs gets, very much the way a son would do. Furthermore, there's very much a father/son protectiveness about both, which extends to Abby forming a tight nucleus between the three. Abby, as I think many will agree is Gibbs' surrogate daughter and Tony's kid sister. And I think we've all probably noticed that neither Tony nor Gibbs are prone to showing/receiving affection except from Abby, whereas with the rest there's a certain distance, although definite camaraderie exists between Tony, McGee and to a lesser extent Palmer; and between Gibbs, Ducky and Fornell.

Kate was the bitchy sister and Ziva is very much the tomboy sister. Both Tony and Gibbs know Ziva can take care of herself yet they still feel a certain protectiveness towards her. Tony was also protective towards Kate, much to her annoyance on occasions, furthermore both he and Gibbs were hit hard with her being killed instead of one them.

Ducky is the grandfather or benevolent bachelor uncle for Tony, Abby, and Ziva. McGee is very much the black sheep of the family, because he's studied, he's more intellectual than the others, he's lacking in social ease. Abby's studious too, but she's more socially integrated than McGee, who spends his time behind the computer or writing books.

All in all it's a pretty functional dysfunctional family.

And finally in the supposition you don't see Gibbs and Abby as father and daughter; but as a possible romantic couple - well, why not? Many women like "father figure" types as boyfriends, and the age difference is relative, since women are mentally more mature than men at a much younger age, not to mention we have loads of examples left, right and centre, in our daily lives, among celebrities, etc.; which a priori you would consider a father-daughter relationship. Furthermore, Abby has expressed on more than one occasion she likes older men, and once dated a 60-something year old professor.

Personally, I think the Gibbs-Abby relationship can be interpreted either way. You view it as a father-daughter relationship - brilliant! You view it as 2 adults flirting - brilliant! I think the characters are written in such a way that both options are viable, I for one, tend to switch between the two depending on the episode in question.

The way we view all these characters as either a family or potential lovers has lot to do with how each of us interprets what we see on the screen, not to mention the kind of upbringing we've had, etc., I mean "hay de todo como en bótica" (there's a bit of everything like in a pharmacy - that's a rough translation of this rather apt saying). I really don't think we can or should be offended because some of us view the relationships between the characters differently to perhaps the majority or minority do. In the end, it's fiction and we all draw different conclusions when we read the same story, why? Essentially because we're all different, why else despite viewing the same episodes have discrepancies as to how good/bad it was? Or for example, why do love NCIS whereas other people think CSI is the best and can't stand NCIS? It's the same difference. We can't all be expected to like the same thing - can you imagine, how boring if we did?! The important thing here, is that we respect what other people think, whether we like it or not. Obviously, this is not always easy to do, I appreciate that, but we must make an effort to respect these opinions, even if they may seem scandalous, which they will in some instances to some people. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be scandalised because somebody has a totally different opinion, but rather agree to disagree as they say.

And I think it's time I stepped down from the soapbox, as I appear to be on a roll here today :-)))

LAST UPDATE ON 19th August 2009 10:05 PM - CET
SUBMITTED BY Sorgiña

GIBBS - FATHER FIGURE

18th August 2009

A large number of female fans see Leroy Jethro Gibbs as a boyfriend figure (I'll cover that in a later blog), but Gibbs is also the archtypical father figure of the show. Whilst not Fred McMurray in "My Three Sons", Gibbs effectively provides a father figure and role model for younger members of the team, and also in the imaginations of millions of fans.

The strongest fathering bond would have to be with Abby. NCIS' resident Goth definitely brings out the protective fatherly streak in Gibbs. The best illustration of this would have to be the season 3 episode "Bloodbath". Abby has a stalker, and Gibbs is not happy when he finds out. Two scenes from this episode best illustrate Gibbs as father. Abby in the elevator. Gibbs just looks, walks in, sits down and puts his arm around her. Later on when she is getting slowly plastered in his basement and knocks a chunk out of his boat.... the pained but tolerant expression on Gibbs' face is one I think every single one of us has seen on their own father's face at some time or another. The same episode shows Gibbs' fatherly pride in Abby, as he watches her taser the bad guy.... and laughs.

Gibbs also shows up as a father figure to Tony. In one episode going so far as to refer to "My son Tony." In the season 1 episode "Left for Dead" he lets Tony stay with him, even though the last time was a disaster. Dad's never turn their kids away in a time of need.

Gibbs is also a father figure to Ziva. In Ziva's time of need, when accused of murder in season 4's "Shalom", it isn't Eli David she contacts. It is Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

McGee has less need of Gibbs as a father figure. Of the major characters he alone appears to have something akin to a normal relationship with his real parents, and does not need a substitute. Not the way Abby, Tony and Ziva do. We don't know much about Abby's family, but her neediness in the way she clings to Gibbs and to the rest of the team does not suggest a close familial bond.

It is the identification of Gibbs with father that lends so much more strength to the scene in "Hiatus" where Gibbs breaks down and cries for Shannon and Kelly. We couldn't cope with that. It was raw and powerful and broke a taboo of sorts.....Daddies don't cry.

LAST UPDATE ON 19th August 2009, 6.28AM Australian Time
SUBMITTED BY MargyW

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NCIS & WETPAINT 500 RANKING

Aug 21 2009, 6:39 PM EDT by bellswebster

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My little input is in relation to our Wetpaint 500 Ranking, which I disagree with, since I feel we deserve to be higher up. Your input on this would be appreciated

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NCIS - A FAMILY OR NOT A FAMILY??

Aug 20 2009, 11:20 PM EDT by bellswebster

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A bit of soapboxing today :-(( Your input as always is appreciated.

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Gibbs - Father Figure

Aug 20 2009, 4:10 PM EDT by MargyW

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Please have a read on the blog entry.

I would appreciate any feedback/discussion on the subject.

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