"I agree with FFFrog - that save does not mean as much to me as it used to. Ziva can color it any way she wants to but the fact of the matter is - she should have told Gibbs at some point during her 3 year stay instead of waiting to confess when she had no choice. "

i have never thought about it like that...but it´s true.anyway.i love gibbs/ziva relationship as much as the one gibbs has with tony.They all will be always true family for me.

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"Interesting topic. If you compare the lives of Ziva and Kai, I think the most important thing is that Ziva grew up in a reasonably family. That way she got what E. H. Erikson calls a basic sense of trust. Though she had to struggle hard - as we saw in season 6 - she finally found her own way to live. Kai wasn't that lucky. Brought up in an orphanage she didn't know where she belonged to neither who to trust. As you already mentioned, Margy, Leon was for her the only steady, regular, reliable thing.
It's very sad and a real tragedy. Given other circumstances she would have become a complete other woman. She is a fighter and fighting hard to change only killing the baddies. I'm not sure what would have happened if Jackie hadn't shot her.
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Ziva grew up in a reasonable family?! I think not! She was brainwashed just as much as Kai. Eli raised her to be an assassin (he admitted as much in Last Man standing) and Ari as a mole in Hamas. She has obvious trust issues which came to a head in Aliyah. I got the distinct impression that any friends Ziva had needed to have Daddy's approval (you can tell Eli was NOT happy with Tony and ziva's friendship). And she certainly did not have much freedom-even when she was away from Daddy he found ways to control and manipulate her (having her spied on, sending Rivkin, etc.). She didn't really start questioning her upbringing until she was with Gibbs (which is why Eli has been trying so hard to make Gibbs not trust her-he realizes if he can get Ziva away from Gibbs it will be easier for him to manipulate her). And even though Ziva had a family, I get the impression that Eli doesn't love her-she is just a tool for him.

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